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looking for a toughf or speciol set of tires ...size 285/75/16 or about 32.8 diamiter..need a load range about 4000.lbs...basically towing tires but i also tow heavy in sand...i can find the load rating but those tires are so big id'e halfto re gear...david
 

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BF Goodrich makes a 285/75R16 in LR E with a 3750# rating at 80 psi.

Are you carrying all the weight on the truck? 4 of those tires make a 15000# truck, which is pretty heavy for a single wheel truck.

To get any heavier than that, you will have to go to 19.5 or 22.5" tires to get rims that will handle the weight.
 

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The BFGoodrich AllTerrain tire with 3,750 weight capacity will let you put up to 7,500 pounds on your rear axle that has a limit of 6,084 pounds. Or if you are a believer that Ford really put a rear axle rated at 6,830 pounds in your F-250, that's still a lot less than the 7,500 pounds tire limit with ordinary LT285/75R16E tires.

If you insist on overloading your rear axle, then you should be taken out and shot at sunrise. Endangering my grandkids on the road is not a good idea. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 

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ok guys dont give up on me...i have kids too and want to be safe...i thought the issue was tires...so i put the quad in the trailer...plan on getting a lighter buggy...and will weigh everything toung,,ect...i thought that if i lightened the load and got radical tires i was moving in the right direction....dont shoot...so now my axils cant handel hardley any weight....man!!!!!
 

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I think you may be over estimating the tire load. Your truck probably weighs in somewhere between 8 and 9K. What's a quad, 600 pounds?

And figure your trailering another 9K, figure 1K of tongue weight (just over 10%).

With those rough figures you're looking at 10,600 on the axles. Divide by 4 and you need 2650# per tire capacity. Either a 33" or 35" (305/70 or 315/75) would handle that no problem, and be wide enough for flotation on sand.

If your trailer weight is substantially heavier than my guestimate then you have another problem, any trailer over 10K requires a Class A CDL.
 

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If your trailer weight is substantially heavier than my guestimate then you have another problem, any trailer over 10K requires a Class A CDL.

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This can vary by state. This is definitely not true for Minnesota.
 

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For California:

A Noncommercial Class A license is required if you tow:

a travel trailer weighing over 10,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) which is not used for hire.
a fifth-wheel travel trailer weighting over 15,000 lbs. GVWR which is not used for hire.
a livestock trailer that is not for hire, weight over 10,000 lbs. GVWR but not over 15,000 lbs. GVWR, and is operated within 150 miles of the farm by a farmer to transport livestock.

There was also a RV endorsement on a Class C for fifth wheels between 10,000 lbs and 15,000 lbs, can't seem to find that mentioned anymore.
 

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okwhat you guys dont know is that i posted a wile back....i have a 6 in lift...goodyear mt/r size 315/75/16 rated at like 3100 lbs...the problem is ...my trailer is 29 ft about 7000 dry....it has 1 quad 80....1 quad 350....and a dune buggy a 4 seater with a corvair motor addabout a 1000 lbs for water and other assorted crap and im guessing my toung weight goes from dry of 900 to about 1400 ...and thats ok.....but the reason some are sore at me is....i want to put a rack on the back of my truck and another buggy [smaller] and im trying to figure out what has to go...what has to be heaver and where i can bend the laws if physics.....i basically just want to add right onto my truck 1 rack and 1 small vw buggy.....now i gotta figure how to do it safely....so last time i posted i was heaver by about 1000 lbs than now....so im looking for a solution,and options ....soon ill weigh things and re-post..toung weight,,buggy weight gross combined...ect....;
 

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dude move up to a 350. you are throwing good money over bad at a losing propostion. unsafe is unsafe. do it the right way. if you dont want the lb get a sb f350 they do make em. or just get a dedicatied tow rig. 95-97 cc dually are cheap enough. you have plenty of toys and a lot of money in them. flipping it all over you will never recover your investment from your insurance if you were knowingly and purposely overloaded. and yes they will find out you knew that you were purposely overloaded. i have been overloaded too so i moved up in truck. sometimes i am overloaded on that truck and trailer too and i unload some cargo. your insurance company WILL deny your claim if you overload any part of your equation all the way down to your ball. (pun intended).
 

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no lie i believe you...im just trying to find out how much i can do....its just not clear to me....a 350,air bags and heavy duty tires will solve all my woes....unclear....
 

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air bags will only keep your truck from sagging. but if you put too much weight on the back it will transfer weight off of the front causing possible control probs. air bags say they increase carrying capacity by 5k pounds or whatever. you cannot increase your trucks carrying capacity. only adjust its stance. but as i stated you need to watch weight distribution and not take weight off of front axle.
 

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The BFGoodrich AllTerrain tire with 3,750 weight capacity will let you put up to 7,500 pounds on your rear axle that has a limit of 6,084 pounds. Or if you are a believer that Ford really put a rear axle rated at 6,830 pounds in your F-250, that's still a lot less than the 7,500 pounds tire limit with ordinary LT285/75R16E tires.

If you insist on overloading your rear axle, then you should be taken out and shot at sunrise. Endangering my grandkids on the road is not a good idea. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Get a grip Smokey. Speed kills lots more folks than weight. Go to any livestock auction and you'll see lots of 3/4 tons of all brands pulling 24' stock trailers that when loaded tight will weigh 17 - 18000 pounds. Most are running the stock tires Ford gave them and the trailers are putting 3500-4000 pounds on the rear axle of the truck with no adverse issues.
 

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Let's rephrase, you need a dual wheel truck (since there are single wheel F-350's). A long wheelbase F-Superduty would be even better.

I'm not talking about those "appearance only" dual wheel conversion kits, you need a truck that can handle the weight.

Same reason I got rid of my 1 ton wrecker, you can only stretch a truck's capacity so far.
 

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Ag_Teacher,


Fighting a losing battle. It's easier to save your breath/ fingers...

But since you brought up the sale barn.

How about getting passed up by a 1 ton dodge, pulling a 40 x 6'8" with 4 axles, yes 4. Btw, this is a loaded truck, looked to be packed full of yearlings. I cannot imagine the weight, but if I had to guess, I would say close to 45k
I know I can hit close 20k plus with my 24' pretty quick.


Chris
 

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The BFGoodrich AllTerrain tire with 3,750 weight capacity will let you put up to 7,500 pounds on your rear axle that has a limit of 6,084 pounds. Or if you are a believer that Ford really put a rear axle rated at 6,830 pounds in your F-250, that's still a lot less than the 7,500 pounds tire limit with ordinary LT285/75R16E tires.

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The axle weight rating of the truck (door jam sticker)is based upon the weakest link....I believe that would be the tires in your reference above - 6084lbs / 2 = 3042lbs - or the 265/75 & 235/85 tire wieght rating

I recall reading somewhere that the axle itself (rated my the manufacturer) is rated in the vacinity of 9000lbs. So if you are looking to see what components are the weakest link - I think the wheels would be next, then the springs - but not the axle......

I think the goodyear tires (for trailers???) are G rated over 4000lbs - but I don't think they are suitable for drive and steer axles....
 

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Are the 285's with at least the 3250lb or close to rating available in the 17" variety with BFG? Does anyone know? I have been unable to find them.
 

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ok...ive been doing some figureing......the buggy is lighter than i first thought...about 1000 plus the rack 200 so that is 1200 plus toung weight that is 1400 that toghther is 2600 plus half the truck weight that is 4000 so 4000+2600=6600 pounds NOW am i light enouf....
 

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Well - you wore me down - it sounds like your mind is made up - just be careful....you're exceeding the limits of the truck for your purposes.

I can fit about 145 bales of green coastal on my 6000lb 16' BP. Just cause it fit, don't mean it was meant to - now I just haul 100 max for over 10 mile trips and 120 under 10 mile trips - and throw 20 in the bed.

Now, you can bet I'm not going to load up that trailer with 145 bales - throw 25 more in the bed, AND put my kids and dog and groceries and be comfortable going away for the weekend - forget about it....not worth it. For what you want to do, you are maxed out with the trailer and loaded truck (without loaded bed).

Some guys will say you'll be fine - this is just my opinion...
 

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flyweel...you're getting close.....ok so what your saying is ....just the trailer at 1400 lbs toung weight is my limit.....
 
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