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The end to my cackle problem.

Fuel light finally came on today, can you believe it, bad fuel, cackle, and running it hard to burn through it faster, and my truck actually liked it, 18.5 MPG, gonna rag on it more, it's like one of those women that like to be treated like s&^%.

Dropped tank, by the way, cargo straps work a lot better than jacks (another tip from here). Did Guzzles version of the Hutch Mod (my new heros, Hutchinaugusta and Guzzle), found a piece of garbage in the bypass inlet of the blend thingy, whoever thought of that brighter idea. Both filter screens looked like they were attempting to bring in a tator crop. The "quick release" fuel line was sucking enough air to inflate a tire. While I was there I 'pooned it and cut out the fuel inlet to let me fill up at truck stops.

The hardest part about the whole job was getting the m#@&%%l($#@!g ring back on. Replaced fuel filter, siphoned off three plus gallons of "diesel", filled fuel bowl with Sea Foam, again. Rinsed and scrubbed tank with good fuel, dumped that also. poured five gallons of good fuel in, cranked it up, listen to it run like crap while picking up my tools. Drove it to the next to the closest fuel station (closest one is where I got the bad fuel that started this fiasco), poured a bottle of that Walmart fuel addidive in and filled up. Got home and my neighbor came out to see who was coming over to visit. My truck does not even sound like a diesel anymore, it purrs.

If you have had the patience to read through all this, bottom line is. If you have not done the Hutch mod yet, do it, four hours, two with help, your truck will smile at you.

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Stories like yours are why I get my fuel at truck stops.

People in the know can tell the difference between a PSD with air issues and one that Hutch has "worked" on!

About once every two months a stranger will ask me how I got my PSD to idle so smoothly and quietly. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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where did you find the S/S tubing?? I can't locate any to do the Mod?

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Stories like yours are why I get my fuel at truck stops.

People in the know can tell the difference between a PSD with air issues and one that Hutch has "worked" on!

About once every two months a stranger will ask me how I got my PSD to idle so smoothly and quietly. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Amen, I really watch out where I get my fuel, always at Truck Stops, and not the "no name" ones when I can help it either. Glad ya got it going smooth Airesly,,
 

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where did you find the S/S tubing?? I can't locate any to do the Mod?

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I ordered the stuff from McMaster-Carr ([url]www.mcmaster.com)[/url]. The cost of the tubing wasn't much but the shipping is a killer. Unless you're going to order a lot of parts, costs run about the same as buying a kit form ITP Diesel.
 

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Brake line is stainless.
 

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Just about all the brake line I found locally was galvanized, very very bad for diesel fuel line.

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I thought it was galvanized also, but the stuff I found was stainless, not shiny stainless, got it from International, the parts guy even knew what I was doing, when I asked for stainless tubing, he said that it was stainless and that diesel would not affect it in the least. Hope he was right.

Used your write-up to do the hutch mod, except I hung the tank with two ratcheting tie down straps. Made pulling and installing the tank so much easier working by yourself.

I have used your instructions a couple times now, they are very well laid out. I appreciate it.

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I realy, really need to get around to doing this mod....I just keep procrastinating though. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 

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I thought it was galvanized also, but the stuff I found was stainless, not shiny stainless, got it from International, the parts guy even knew what I was doing, when I asked for stainless tubing, he said that it was stainless and that diesel would not affect it in the least. Hope he was right............

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That's some good info. I went to all of the regular parts stores but didn't try any truck shops or the Int dealer. Post a part number if you still have it, maybe it will help someone else.
 

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I put an extension on my return line so it is about 18 away from the supply, and bypassed the pickup clog valve. Right infront of the fuel pump I put in a filter for older style mercedes. a inline plastic $2 filter. Yes it idles like a sewing machine.
 

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Oops, my bad. I was in a hurry, tossed the receipt, scraped off the tags with a razor knife, looked it the trash, no number. Just call IH dealer, if they are like mine, they are very knowledgeable. I was describing what I was going to do, at the guy cut me off and said "Hutch Mod, right. With Guzzles instructions". Would not give me his member name, but I would bet we know him.
 

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Well, I am humbled with that response but most IH dealers that I have dealt with, it has been necessary to cloak my intentions because as soon as they hear the word FORD, they turn their back on me.

OR........ maybe it’s just my charisma /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif


edit: Oh, BTW they really are not MY instructions, they are Hutch's. I just documented what I did when following his lead.
 

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DFW area is very open. When I mentioned PSD, he asked what size. They seem like they are willing and able to help. In the employee parking area, there seemed to be a lot of PSD's, and they all had A-piller guage pods.
 

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I need to get on this band wagon, I just don't yet understand what is going on with the fuel pickup. I totally understand the crappy quick disconnects I have pulled about 30 ford tanks in the last 7 years but what are you guys doing to the fuel pickup? Why are you pulling the fuel sock off the pickup? and what is up with the return duck bill? Hutch? Guzzle? Hints tips and pointers?
 

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where did you find the S/S tubing?? I can't locate any to do the Mod?

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If you are going to do the Hutch mod and a pre-pump filer mod that will bypass the stock supply line to the fuel pump. I just took mine off the frame rail and used a section of that SS tubing.
 

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Hey guys,

I'm pointing this question at CKing, What is the part number on the in-line filter from Mercedes??

My Kit from ITP should arrive today and I'd like to geter-done this weekend.

I decided to go with the less expensive filter like you did, but I'm haveing trouble finding a diesel rated in-line filter....

Thank, Jeff
 

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I need to get on this band wagon, I just don't yet understand what is going on with the fuel pickup. I totally understand the crappy quick disconnects I have pulled about 30 ford tanks in the last 7 years but what are you guys doing to the fuel pickup? Why are you pulling the fuel sock off the pickup? and what is up with the return duck bill? Hutch? Guzzle? Hints tips and pointers?

[/ QUOTE ] This thread may help. The problems with the fuel pickup and air intrusion are many. With recirculation of the fuel when the fuel is cold, any air in the circuit get recirculated as well. If the fuel is warm, the fuel is diverted to the duckbill valve where it blows a jet of fuel and air out in the vicinity of the pickup further aerating the fuel. With age the duckbill valve rubber gets tired and stiff (don't we all) and it can suck air into the system when the fuel is low. The emergency valve in the black pickup can also stick open with similar consequences. So many have modified the fuel pickup to eliminate these sources of air. I just have a piece of diesel-immersion rated hose extending to the bottom of the tank, completely eliminating the fuel pickup and a long extension of the return so any air is blown away from the fuel pickup hose. The tubing in the fuel pickup has nice rolled edges which narrow the inlet/outlet creating more of a jet and releasing more air. Further the tight radius bends in the short hose to the hardlines creates turbulence with more air released. I have a single piece of 3/8" i.d. 30R7 hose running from the reamed tubing to a Dahl 100 filter to the pump. The hard lines are too restrictive analogous to sucking a milkshake through a long skinny straw. The only 'strokers needing the complicated OEM fuel system are working on the North Slope.
 

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Glad it helped, air in the fuel changes the timing of a split shot injector and really screws things up, if you remove the air and they run MUCH MUCH better. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
 
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