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I still have the 7.3 in my signature. I am stunned by the amount of Cummins Rams that I see on the road. This used to be Ford country, but I see more and more Rams. When I drive from NY to FL, if I see a rig hauling a car trailer, it is almost always a Ram. I just got back from being out in Utah, again tons of Rams. Yet, I search and read that Ford sells twice as many powerstrokes as Cummins. My eyes do not come up with the same analysis. What made you go with the Ford and what are the pros and cons of each? I am asking here because I would like to hear directly from you guys. Google searches have yielded rubbish. The searches seem to always result in all 3 manufacturers are good and we sell mods for all three. I want to hear from owners, not sites that are selling mods for each model. Thanks.
 

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I once heard the saying that "the biggest problem with the Cummins is that it is surrounded by a Dodge (Ram)". I have always been a Ford guy, so that's part of the reason I went with Ford. I also think that Ford's styling has always beat Dodge/Ram and Chevy/GMC in both exterior and interior. The nose of the new Chevy is absolutely hideous. The 6.7 Powerstroke has been around for 11 years now, so the problems you always get with a new engine design have pretty much been flushed out by now. It seems the weakest link for all 3 manufacturers is the diesel emissions system, and all seem to suffer the same types of problems. I took a gamble with the new 10 speed transmission when I bought my 2020 F-350, but so far it has not disappointed me at all. The engine is a beast and pulls anything I put behind it.

I see plenty of Super Duties out on the road towing big trailers - I would imagine a lot of the difference is regional. Lots of Ford and Ram out there towing the big loads, but the GM products are notably far fewer.
 
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I once heard the saying that "the biggest problem with the Cummins is that it is surrounded by a Dodge (Ram)".
I was chatting with my neighbor the other day - he has a Ram 3500 dually with a Cummins and he said the same thing. Loves the engine but the rest of the truck is junk - rattles, the interior feels cheap.

I have also observed (at my dealership) that Crysler will do anything to sell vehicles but after that they could care less about their product or their customers. If you think genuine OEM service and repair parts for a Ford are expensive try owning a Dodge.
 

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I have seen a lot of Dodges pulling car trailers. But if you look at the truck it looks like crap. Fords are more refined. We use ours to pull RV's LOL Sure you can pull a car hauler with 3 cars on it but just look how stupid that looks going down the road.
 

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I hear you. But, I see way more modified cummins rams in my area. It is like the enthusiasts have switched to ram. I have always heard that the trucks were junk but the motor was great. But, I have heard that they have caught up and that the trucks are now stout. I spoke with a guy in a Harbor Freight who could not stop bragging about the rear suspension in the rams and how he has had every Ford from 7.3-6.7 and is now sold on the cummins ram. Who knows. But, I can't help but admit that they are abundant in my neck of the woods and when I was just out in Utah.
 

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My brother has a 2017 Ram with a Cummins, I have a 2016 Ford F-250 with the 6.7. There is no comparison as far as I am concerned . . . the Ford has more power, is much quieter, rides better and in my opinion, looks much better. The only thing he has going for him is better fuel mileage. My Son-in-law worked for Cummins in Portland, Oregon for several years. He said the Cummins engines in the new Rams are not the same as the mainline Cummins. If someone brings one in to their shop for repairs, they won't touch it . . . has to go to a Ram dealer. I have a friend who bought a new 2021, and it has been back to the shop several times. The newer Rams have much better interiors than they used to, but that's what I would expect from an Italian manufacturer that makes exotic sports cars (Fiat).
 

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My friends father worked for Cummins light truck division for over 20 years between the 80’s to mid 2000’s as a senior propulsion engineer for the Cummins in the Dodge (Ram). Dodge decided it was cheaper to begin building the engine cheaper and would be more profitable when the truck comes in for more repairs. Win win for Dodge but a big loss for the customer. When he spoke out about the changes being made and showed his disgruntlement, he was fired. The million mile Cummins that come in the earlier Dodge trucks is no longer an option. You will end up with a cheaper engine and a cheaper truck. The only thing Dodge has going for it today is it’s airbag suspension and full boxed frame which is good for towing but can be very uncomfortable when unloaded. My father was a Dodge guy and never wanted to drive anything else. But times have changed. I have a pretty routine drive from SC to lower AL and I cannot begin to tell you how many Rams I see pulled over in places I wouldn’t consider a “rest stop”. So don’t let the hype fool you. If you want a good truck that tows heavy, buy a new F450. The Ford 6.7l is proven to be a near million mile motor. Power Stroke Tech Talk on YouTube previewed a 1.3 million mile 2013 F350. Sure, the guy has gone through a turbo or two and a transmission but what else can you ask for out of a million mile motor? Do yourself a favor and dodge the Ram at all costs.
 

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Choice is clear. You just will deal with a chinsy interior and do it in a lease and flip quickly but chances are that you will not end up in motor tort court or signing a document that settles, gags your speech and or it has your sitting across the desk of a bankruptcy lawyer like you very might if you sign up or stroke a check on a 6.7 Ford. Since 2011, I have seen more bankruptcies, divorces, business failures and wasted money and time in motor court than anything that I have ever seen. That thing makes the International 6.0 look like a gas engine that was put out by Lexus.
Perhaps you have a motor torte attorney on retainer, like to beating your head against the wall or being sedated with Valium.
 
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