[Asynchronism]

Hey All,

Truck is at the dealer having the fuel pump replaced, and they want to do an injector cleaning, too - at a cost of around $250. I'm at 17k miles right now.

Legit and necessary? Or should I ask them to change my blinker fluid while they're at it? Would the addition of a fueling box (not that I'd ever do that... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif ) speed up injector fouling?

Thanks,
Dave

 

[hitecdan]

What do they do to clean the injectors? Add a bottle of "injector cleaner" to the fuel and charge you $250? Or do they pull each injector and clean them? Just pulling and reinstalling all eight injectors would cost more then $250 in labor. Sounds like BS to me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif I've got almost 40K on my truck and I've never needed my injectors "cleaned".

How much will this dealer charge you to relube the muffler bearings? Also have him change the air in your tires, that stuff has a shelf life you know. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

 

[GrampyJim]

I'll agree with your other reply... many dealers and big box xtores are trying to maximize their RO totals with bogus "added services". All of these consist of charging too much to simply stick a can of something somewhere.

Personally, I refuse to do sometjing to a customers vehicle if I don't feel there is benefit for dollars spent.

 

[POS]

17k miles and you need an injector cleaning? Ha, ha. Tell them to go away.

 

[buckhunter]

run dont walk to a different steeler.

 

[rgdillon]

Well until just a few days ago I would have agreed with all the other replies - now I'm not so sure. One of my customers is a BG rep. Got to talking and he gave me about $120 bucks worth of stuff to try out (read free). First step he gave was a bottle of injector cleaner. After the first 30/40 miles I start blowing dark smoke when I nailed it. Had not previously done that. At around 120 miles - she starts to run a tad bit rough. At 190 I'm not seeing the smoke. At about the 240 mark I notice the idle is quiet and seems to have a tad bit better responce. This morning at the 349 mark - sitting at a light I damn near had to turn the radio off to hear the motor running - and I could hear the blinker.

Soooo - that's where I'm at now. I have a little over 27K on my truck. Not saying this a anything but what I have reported. I told the guy that I would keep track of how the truck performed - so that's what I'm doing. Have never run or used any BG products before. I did see in the brochures he gave me an injector cleaning system - connects to the fuel system, in and out. He has offered to clean one of our NOVAPS members truck for free so we can all see how it works and judge for ourselves. We'll see.


Ron

 

[CMOS]

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Well until just a few days ago I would have agreed with all the other replies - now I'm not so sure. One of my customers is a BG rep. Got to talking and he gave me about $120 bucks worth of stuff to try out (read free). First step he gave was a bottle of injector cleaner. After the first 30/40 miles I start blowing dark smoke when I nailed it. Had not previously done that. At around 120 miles - she starts to run a tad bit rough. At 190 I'm not seeing the smoke. At about the 240 mark I notice the idle is quiet and seems to have a tad bit better responce. This morning at the 349 mark - sitting at a light I damn near had to turn the radio off to hear the motor running - and I could hear the blinker.

Soooo - that's where I'm at now. I have a little over 27K on my truck. Not saying this a anything but what I have reported. I told the guy that I would keep track of how the truck performed - so that's what I'm doing. Have never run or used any BG products before. I did see in the brochures he gave me an injector cleaning system - connects to the fuel system, in and out. He has offered to clean one of our NOVAPS members truck for free so we can all see how it works and judge for ourselves. We'll see.


Ron

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"BG"?

Please keep us posted as to further experiences with this product.


CMOS

 

[rgdillon]

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Well until just a few days ago I would have agreed with all the other replies - now I'm not so sure. One of my customers is a BG rep. Got to talking and he gave me about $120 bucks worth of stuff to try out (read free). snipped


Ron

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"BG"?

Please keep us posted as to further experiences with this product.


CMOS

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Sure will. Everyone understand that I don't know anything about BG and am not selling them. This guy gave me the stuff to try and on my part I am to report to him and our NOVAPS club how it worked out for me.

Click Here for the BG Website. ]

The first product I am using is the BG 244 - He also gave me an oil additive and a gallon of fuel additive to be used after the BG 244 has run it's course.
The BG 244 is not for every tank use. The stuff appears to be pricey, but if it works as it says - maybe.

Ron

 

[OMCUSNR]

Run plenty of biodiesel (b-20 or better) & you'll always have clean injectors, smoother & quieter truck. Its a natural degreaser.

 

[TBlough]

At 17K miles on an '04, if it needs injectors cleaned, it should be a warranty item.

Tom

 

[cm_hensley]

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Also have him change the air in your tires, that stuff has a shelf life you know.

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I used to work at Discount Tire when I was in college and we had a guy come in twice a year to have the "winter" air in his tires replaced with "summer" air and then switch 6 months later /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif! We always looked at him like he was on something, but he always paid for his air transplants, so we let it go /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

 

[ketchum]

BG has lots of good products.Injector cleaned and decarbon for gas engines,trans flush machines etc.Been around a while.Some shops swear by them.Don't know a thing about the diesel stuff.

 

[stuckinMUD]

BG is awesome stuff!! It has a reputation within the porsche, audi, BMW and upper realms of the VW circles. Problem is its hard to find and exspensive. Its not the high margin placebo on the shelf of autozone stuff. It's usually found where the high end high maintenance toys are found.

However this is the first I have heard of BG 244 run in a diesel. I will say I have no reservations as to what good it may do to these powerstrokes.

BTW absolutely no affiliation with the company. Just one who WAS a doubter and then had seen it literally perform miracles time and time again where others appeared to do absolutely nothing.

Doug

 

[moovet]

We can not change the fact that this poster only has 17k on the clock and if ford thinks he needs BG then they need to poney up.....At 170k seems more realistic it is his call..
j.schall

 

[OMCUSNR]

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It has a reputation within the porsche, audi, BMW and upper realms of the VW circles.

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...this is the first I have heard of BG 244 run in a diesel.

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Does this stuff contain ANY ALCOHOL? If it does, run like hell from it. Its use WILL cause Ford to deny any warrenty claim on injector repair, beacuse of owner abuse. Alcohol is posion to these injetor systems.

If it doesn't contain alcohol, it might be a good product. Stanadyne isn't bad either, but Bio-D is best.

 

[MoeB]

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Truck is at the dealer having the fuel pump replaced, and they want to do an injector cleaning, too - at a cost of around $250. I'm at 17k miles right now. Legit and necessary? Or should I ask them to change my blinker fluid while they're at it?

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If it were mine, I would respectfully ask the tech why they believe the injectors need cleaning. Was the fuel pump gunked up or something, and was the secondary filter (which is post-pump) clogged up? Did they test the injectors and find something wrong? Did the injectors throw codes? Or is it just "healthy" to periodically clean injectors, per some SSM or TSB?

Can't blame them for trying to make a profit,so long as they have a legit reason for wanting the money in your wallet.

 

[rgdillon]

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However this is the first I have heard of BG 244 run in a diesel. I will say I have no reservations as to what good it may do to these powerstrokes.

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Doug

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The bottle and the tech sheet I have both say "For Diesel Use Only" . . .


Ron

 

[rgdillon]

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We can not change the fact that this poster only has 17k on the clock and if ford thinks he needs BG then they need to poney up.....At 170k seems more realistic it is his call..
j.schall

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I agree with you - mostly - problem I see is that the quality of the diesel fuel being used. All I can find around here is 40 cetane - and I remember reading here or somewhere that these trucks are designed for 45. I would think that low/bad fuel quality would have some part in the injectors getting fouled.

Ron

 

[rgdillon]

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Does this stuff contain ANY ALCOHOL? If it does, run like hell from it. Its use WILL cause Ford to deny any warrenty claim on injector repair, beacuse of owner abuse. Alcohol is posion to these injetor systems.

If it doesn't contain alcohol, it might be a good product. Stanadyne isn't bad either, but Bio-D is best.

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I didn't see any mention of alcohol on the label and not on the little tech sheet I was given. The guy I talked to did mention that none of the BG stuff has alcohol in it cause: bad for injectors - sooo -
Everything he gave me is clearly marked "For Diesel Use Only" . . .

Again - have never used the stuff before - don't sell it - just reporting as I use it.

Ron

 

[moovet]

You can buy a whole lot of disel fuel stuff without alcohol of sulfur like standyne and powersevice and the like at wallmart for 240.00 bucks????? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif