[denniscastillo]

I need the injectors for my 1999 F350. I called Bean and he won't have until the first week of July and I need to order them to replace them this weekend. Can someone point me in another direction? I wish I could wait for Bean as I have heard alot of good things but I can not.

Please help

 

[dvickery]

FWIW I saw a guy selling rebuilt STOCK injectors on ebay a couple of weeks ago for $99/ea.(Buy it Now) Had good feedback, but I don't know anything about him. Do a search and check it out. You might be able to contact him directly for quick shipment.

"I don't vouch for him." Shep Proudfoot in "Fargo"

cdv

 

[haul_n_horses2]

You can get new Alliant injectors from David Lott for $1600. For $200 more you can get Stage II splitshots. The other vendor known for their injectors would be Swamp's diesel.

 

[Dale_Lakin]

We carrying the Alliant Brand AE's if your interested in stockers give us a call 800-572-1422 and Chris or I will help ya out.

 

[haul_n_horses2]

He will be wanting AD injectors not AE. AE is the notorious Long Lead injector for the 8 hole. Not one of Ford's better ideas.

 

[Dale_Lakin]

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He will be wanting AD injectors not AE. AE is the notorious Long Lead injector for the 8 hole. Not one of Ford's better ideas.

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According to Bean there is NO DIFFERENCE between the 2. Talked with him the other day before I placed the order and he has had several apart and measured all of the components and can find no difference. So if this info is wrong blame Bean /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

 

[haul_n_horses2]

Well there must be some difference to account for the difference in the split shot between an AD and an AE injector. Indeed, when cackle threads dominated this forum a couple of years ago, someone (HutchinAugusta, Swamp, ??????) documented that there was a difference in the size of the groove in the AE plunger. The larger groove was thought to change the volume of the spill to the spill port and hence the preshot and main shot were different. Unfortunately with the absurd archiving system at this site, it is difficult to retrieve these insights.

 

[TheHammer69]

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He will be wanting AD injectors not AE. AE is the notorious Long Lead injector for the 8 hole. Not one of Ford's better ideas.

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According to Bean there is NO DIFFERENCE between the 2. Talked with him the other day before I placed the order and he has had several apart and measured all of the components and can find no difference. So if this info is wrong blame Bean /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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There HAS to be a difference becuase you should hear Number 8 in my truck after the ITP fuel system. It is common for #8 idle knock to increase after a full system upgrade and the fix is to install a standard AD in its place.

Hammer

 

[haul_n_horses2]

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The groove on your plunger (intensifier piston??) actually opens to a relief port. This provides the "break" in the shot of fuel, creating the priming shot and the main charge. Increasing the size of this groove would increase the duration between fuel shots and either lessen the priming charge or the main charge or both depending on how far up or down you increase it's size.

[/ QUOTE ] RichS near the bottom of this thread. Note that this represents some of the original collaborations between Golfer and SwampDonkey before the development of their current enterprise.

I am still looking for the measurements of the length and diameter of that "groove". A comparison between AD and AE plungers/pistons was posted in somebody's community webshots. Hutch???

 

[haul_n_horses2]

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He will be wanting AD injectors not AE. AE is the notorious Long Lead injector for the 8 hole. Not one of Ford's better ideas.

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According to Bean there is NO DIFFERENCE between the 2. Talked with him the other day before I placed the order and he has had several apart and measured all of the components and can find no difference. So if this info is wrong blame Bean /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Bean better go back to school on these injectors. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif Hutch has a picture of the injector part here and in the text describes the difference in the position of the groove I referred to that distinguishes AD from AE injector.

 

[Dale_Lakin]

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He will be wanting AD injectors not AE. AE is the notorious Long Lead injector for the 8 hole. Not one of Ford's better ideas.

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According to Bean there is NO DIFFERENCE between the 2. Talked with him the other day before I placed the order and he has had several apart and measured all of the components and can find no difference. So if this info is wrong blame Bean /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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There HAS to be a difference becuase you should hear Number 8 in my truck after the ITP fuel system. It is common for #8 idle knock to increase after a full system upgrade and the fix is to install a standard AD in its place.

Hammer

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So AE's cause more knock? I thought was what is was supposed to correct? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[haul_n_horses2]

Dale, It is very complicated. read my posts here. Short version: Fuel rail harmonics and sequential firing of #6 and #8 injector lead to a missed pre shot in the #8 hole. Ford's "better idea" was to increase the pre-shot with the LL (AE) injector only in cylinder #8. The difference in the pre shot advanced the timing in this cylinder. This was supposed to improve cackle and idle knocking. It did not work. When owners modified their fuel system to feed from the rear ie next to #8 and eliminated the dead end fuel rails with the regulated return aftermarket system, it solved for the most part the under fueling but now the AE injector was putting in too much of a pre shot too early BTDC causing a much worse knock. Many owners who have installed the regulated return which Hammer described pulled the AE injector and replaced it with an AD injector. Now you had good fuel to all 8 injectors and all 8 were the same. 8 great looking strippers are better than 7 great looking strippers and one fat one if you know what I mean. The trucks run great with these mods.

 

[Dale_Lakin]

So what happens when someone puts 8 AE's in a non-regulated system?

 

[smeezy]

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So what happens when someone puts 8 AE's in a non-regulated system?

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the truck blows up

 

[Dale_Lakin]

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the truck blows up

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Thanks for the informative factual based response /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

 

[Dale_Lakin]

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He will be wanting AD injectors not AE. AE is the notorious Long Lead injector for the 8 hole. Not one of Ford's better ideas.

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he has had several apart and measured all of the components and can find no difference. So if this info is wrong blame Bean /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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I retract this portion of the comments since I evidently have comprehension problems. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[haul_n_horses2]

I do not know however, the LL pre shot was alleged to mechanically advance the timing significantly. I would guess that if that is true, it would be the same result as if someone used a chip which used advanced timing to get increased performance. Elevated cylinder pressures, fractured rods, holed blocks etc. However that is an extrapolation and I am not sure it is valid. Are you up for an experiment?

 

[pwrtrip]

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He will be wanting AD injectors not AE. AE is the notorious Long Lead injector for the 8 hole. Not one of Ford's better ideas.

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According to Bean there is NO DIFFERENCE between the 2. Talked with him the other day before I placed the order and he has had several apart and measured all of the components and can find no difference. So if this info is wrong blame Bean /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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That is funny that bean said they are the same, when he says this



[/ QUOTE ]Accually you may be right, just found a difference in the pistons. You beat me to it

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Also found this little quote from Swamp

[/ QUOTE ]Dave,
Sounds like a special lady there!
The 466/530 nozzles cannot be used in our engines

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Dont know how to post a link to where I got them but if someone knows how let me know. thanks

Jeremiah

 

[Dale_Lakin]

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He will be wanting AD injectors not AE. AE is the notorious Long Lead injector for the 8 hole. Not one of Ford's better ideas.

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According to Bean there is NO DIFFERENCE between the 2. Talked with him the other day before I placed the order and he has had several apart and measured all of the components and can find no difference. So if this info is wrong blame Bean /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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That is funny that bean said they are the same, when he says this



[/ QUOTE ]Accually you may be right, just found a difference in the pistons. You beat me to it

[/ QUOTE ] /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

Also found this little quote from Swamp

[/ QUOTE ]Dave,
Sounds like a special lady there!
The 466/530 nozzles cannot be used in our engines

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Dont know how to post a link to where I got them but if someone knows how let me know. thanks

Jeremiah

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Which is why I posted this
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He will be wanting AD injectors not AE. AE is the notorious Long Lead injector for the 8 hole. Not one of Ford's better ideas.

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he has had several apart and measured all of the components and can find no difference. So if this info is wrong blame Bean /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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I retract this portion of the comments since I evidently have comprehension problems. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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[Dale_Lakin]

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Are you up for an experiment?

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If I owned one I would be... but since I don't whatcha got in mind? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif