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Ok I have the SCT from Innovative diesel and I just got the Banks intercooler installed. It seems now that I do not have as much power and all of my smoke is gone. When I try to run the extreme tune the truck shifts crazy now. Is this because the boost peramiters have changed? I like the technicooler alot, it has dropped my EGT's going down the freeway close to 250 degrees. I have not towed my 5er with it yet, but after the 4th of July I will let you all know how that goes. Maybe someone from Innovative can chime in. Thanks for the help. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif
 

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ok, back to the top...does anyone have answers?
 

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We have customers running the Banks Intercooler with no issues. That does sound like very low cruising EGT's. The intercooler definitely shouldn't have changed any shifting patterns whatsoever. Have you had anything else done, your truck reflashed, etc.? I responded to your email today, just give me more info and we'll go from there. Thanks.
 

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I owuld double check the install and look for wires and connectors maybe left off?
 

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Eric,
Thanks so much for the quick response on the email, I know you will help me work it out. Just wondering if anyone else had issues. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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doesnt a bigger intercooler restrict boost more than a small one? you may get a small power loss but the trade off is much lower egt's. or at least that has been my understanding when building the supra(904rwhp)...
 

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doesnt a bigger intercooler restrict boost more than a small one? you may get a small power loss but the trade off is much lower egt's. or at least that has been my understanding when building the supra(904rwhp)...

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I was thinking just the opposite, the intercooler is just thicker(a little) and the tubing is bumped up by 1/2", bigger means more flow I would think. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif
 

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It is more complicated than that. As gases cool, their density goes down. So when your turbo spins at a certain speed (governed by your truck computer, which does not know their is a bigger intercooler), it initially generates a certain pressure at the turbine blade. But as that higher pressure gas reaches the intercooler, the cooling makes the gas reduce its pressure. For example, a balloon filled in a warm area will shrink when you bring it into the AC. So, everything kept constant, except that you change the intercooler, you should see lower boost at the same load/rpm condition.

The important thing to note is:

1) The amount of oxygen flowing is the same (turbo doesn't know the difference)
2) The air temp entering the cylinder will be lower
3) The EGT's will be therefore lower (under the same load)

Through programming, you should be able to take advantage of this and if your turbo permits, jam more air in than you would otherwise be able to. That will translate into lower EGT's when towing a heavy load up a big hill, so you probably will be able to take the hill at a higher speed without getting into the danger zone on EGT's.

250F lower? Nice! That is significant, and most guys here know that would be important. Is that what Banks advertises? I thought I heard much lower improvements than that, more like about a 100F drop.

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Lower EGT's is what we all want, the 250 degrees lower is just cruising down the hiway empty. I have not pulled the 5er yet to see what the difference is, but after the 4th of July I should be able to let you guys know more.
One question, the air is cooler and denser would that not give you more power? Just wondering. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif
 

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One question, the air is cooler and denser would that not give you more power? Just wondering. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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Yes, IF you give it a little more fuel. Assuming your combustion is near complete before you put the aftermarket intercooler on, adding it means that if you get your turbo to reach the same pressure, you will have more oxygen in the same charge to the cylinder. If you then give it more fuel, you will get more power per stroke. At that point, your lower EGT's are out the window because taking full advantage of the cooler intake air (by fueling it fully) will generate more heat that what the intercooler did.

Put another way, if you pressurized and fueld until you reaches the same EGT's as you had earlier, you will get more power per stroke.

No doubt, cooling is a good idea.

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Lower EGT's is what we all want, the 250 degrees lower is just cruising down the highway empty. I have not pulled the 5er yet to see what the difference is, but after the 4th of July I should be able to let you guys know more.
One question, the air is cooler and denser would that not give you more power? Just wondering. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

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You are correct, cooler air has denser (more oxygen atoms) closer together. More oxygen atoms in a cubic foot of air will in theory result in more power. However Ralph is also correct more oxygen atoms will ALLOW more fuel to be burned. Nitrous oxide also is a oxygenating which also allows more fuel to be burned.
 

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Greencrush,

Are you seeing the same boost numbers as before to new IC?? If so, like raph said, you should have more oxygen due to lower temps correct?? Which finally should be more power?? But if you are not reaching the same boost, but have lower temps wouldn't the power made be the same but the motor is "working" not as hard?? If that makes sense.

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The computer reads the pressure going into the engine, to change the vane angles, right? If this measurement was taken on the hot side of the intercooler, near the turbo, then I agree with all the above discussed issues. But if the reading was taken from the manifold or even the cold side of the intercooler then the computer should keep the vanes angled to keep a pre-set boost pressure compared to pedal position.

If the reading was taken from the hot side then I would think that it would help to relocate the reading to the cold side. Just a thought, I may be way off base here?

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The computer reads the pressure going into the engine, to change the vane angles, right? If this measurement was taken on the hot side of the intercooler, near the turbo, then I agree with all the above discussed issues. But if the reading was taken from the manifold or even the cold side of the intercooler then the computer should keep the vanes angled to keep a pre-set boost pressure compared to pedal position.

If the reading was taken from the hot side then I would think that it would help to relocate the reading to the cold side. Just a thought, I may be way off base here?

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While putting the High Ram intake on I noticed sensors under it where the air dumps into the manifold, I think this is the sensors you are talking about. As far as the boost pressures they seem the same, but I did notice a drop in power after installing the new IC. Maybe I do need to add more fuel, because I noticed that I don't get as much smoke as I used to in the max torque setting.
Innovative has sent me some new tunes that I have not had a chance to download yet, I will do that tomorrow and let you all know how that goes. Happy Truckin. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif
 

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Now that I have the new tunes I cannot seem to figure out how to download them, anyone done this before that can give me a hand? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif
 

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Here are some detailed instructions:

1. Download the latest Xtreme tuning software:
http://www.sctflash.com/software/XtremeTune111.exe

If you already have a version installed, uninstall it and use the latest version.

2. Install the Xtreme software

3. Detach your files from email to a place you can find them later. My Documents may be a good folder.

4. Plug in your Xcalibrator to your PC's serial or USB port, depending if you have an Xcal or Xcal2.

5. Run the Xtreme software. If you don't have an icon on your desktop, the software is located at:
"C:\Program Files\SCT\ExtremeTune\ExtremeTune.exe"

6. Here is a video on how to use the software. It's an older version of Xtreme, but works the same. You can disregard the customize feature, that aren't available for the diesel.
http://www.innovativediesel.com/support/xtreme/usingxtreme.exe

That should do it.

Thanks.
 
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