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K&N filters.. worth it or what else should I get?

Looking to make the old girl breath a bit better so starting with a filters then exhaust then chips.. (if that not a good order please let me know) I searched the forums but did not seem to find any hits for K&N (the one that replaces the whole air box) does anyone use them? Can someone suggest the pros, con and or alternatives for under $200. I’m on a bit of a shoe string budget because I purchased the truck outright.. Thanks as always for the advice.

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Here's some test info, and the reason we ONLY sell the AFE Pro Guard 7 intakes and filters:
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Here's what Dan Montegari of Precision Diesel Services says about advanced FLOW engineering's Pro-GUARD 7 filter media:

HIGH FLOW AIR INTAKE SYSTEMS

WHO IS THE BEST & WHY!

We received many letters asking which high flow air intake system to use. We decided to test a number of manufacturers’ systems to determine which system was superior. We tested each system and found systems manufactured by AFE (Advanced Flow Engineering) were the best by far.

Diesel engines use seven times more air than gasoline engines of equivalent size so clean cool air is a must for extended engine life, better fuel economy and additional power. A higher flow of intake air coupled with a high flow exhaust system allows for more power, a better fuel economy, extended engine life and reduced exhaust temperatures. On the other hand ingested dirt through the air intake system becomes Silicon in the engine oil, which is a harsh cutting agent and can damage your engine quickly.

We tested three very popular systems. I will not mention the names of the other systems as a courtesy but I will explain what problems we found with them. We evaluated the systems by a number of criteria, filtration protection, flow, and design, easy of installation and cost. Almost in the beginning of the tests we realized in most instances a new intake system was necessary to achieve our goals. We needed a kit that used mostly outside air and not hot engine compartment air. We decided to use systems designed to use mostly outside air.

Two manufacturers claimed their systems delivered cleaner air at a higher flow but this was far from the truth. We did not believe any of the manufacturers’ claims and tested each system by operating the vehicle 3,000 miles and performing an engine oil analysis to determine Silicon levels in the engine oil. The vehicle we used has an engine oil analysis performed at every oil change so we had a Silicon number of three (3) to base our tests on.

The first manufacturer’s system was fairly easy to install but we had problems with the oil used to coat the filter also coated the Mass Air Flow Sensor causing a service engine lamp to come on. I called the manufacturer but they had no explanation as to why this should happen but they had this complaint before. Through the three thousand mile test I had to clean the sensor three times to stop the service engine lamp from coming on. When the oil analysis results came back, it was discouraging with Silicon levels at eleven (11). I almost could not believe the result so we changed the oil and filter and repeated the test. The results were almost the same eliminating this manufacturer quickly. I contacted the manufacturer to discuss the results and they were not helpful and basically said, “what you see is what you get”!

We installed the second manufacturer’s system again changing the engine oil and operating the vehicle for three thousand miles. The first problem we encountered was the service engine lamp coming on and I thought the oil they used was coating the sensor again. I removed the sensor and found some oil on it which I cleaned off and reinstalled the sensor. Within ten miles the lamp was on again. I removed the sensor but there was no coating of oil on it. I then placed our scan tool on the engine and quickly discovered the airflow rate was too high for the sensor. I then realized the manufacturer had moved the position of the sensor into a higher airflow and velocity position trying to squeak a little more power from their system. I continued the test having to deal with the service engine lamp throughout the test period. The engine oil analysis gave a Silicon reading of eight (8 and along with the engine lamp problem did not give the manufacturer high mark but I felt if I discussed the problems with them maybe we could overcome them. I placed four calls to the manufacturer and I am still waiting for a call back! This surely eliminated this manufacturer.

The third manufacturer we tested was AFE (Advanced Flow Engineering). We used their Magnum Force air intake system. We operated the vehicle for 3000 miles and when the oil analysis came back it was promising with a Silicon reading of five (5). While five was the best Silicon result we had, it was not good enough. I called AFE and was pleasantly surprised when I discovered they were truly concerned. I spoke with a Mr. Paul Hardley who suggested I try their Pro-Guard 7 media they were about to release. He explained the new Pro-Guard 7 media was five layers of progressively finer mesh medical grade cotton gauze with micro fibers that attract smaller and smaller particles as air passes through. Combined with the five layers of medical [gauze] media, there are two layers of non-woven synthetic polyester fabric with random porosity. The filter media is sandwiched between two layers of aluminum wire mesh. He agreed to send two Pro-Guard 7 filters for a new test. I installed the Pro-Guard 7 filter, changed the engine oil and operated the vehicle for three thousand miles. The engine oil analysis was excellent with a Silicon reading of below three (3). Finally we found an air intake system that gave us a higher flow rate and better filtration. The AFE Magnum Force air intake system is a well designed system, easily installed and uses about 90% outside air. The filter is cleanable and the oil used to coat the filter is patented because it is formulated not to affect the airflow sensor.

Another positive factor of the high flow system was the fuel economy increased about ½ MPG in mixed driving and 1 MPG during highway tests. The filter media used by AFE will not collapse if it gets wet or subject to high boost pressures. They also offer pre-filters for most of their applications for very dusty or dirty operating conditions. We carry a full line of AFE products with Pro-GUARD 7 media. If you order an AFE system from another source, make sure it has a Pro-GUARD 7 media.

A very important factor in this test was the manufacturer was willing to discuss problems with their products and help to overcome them. My hat is off to Paul Hardley and all the people at AFE!

Dan Montegari
President
Precision Diesel Services

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Posts: 302 The following is the complete test results. In order of rank from BEST performance to WORST in the categories of FILTERING EFFICIENCY, FLOW RESTRICTION, DIRT HOLDING CAPACITY and TOTAL DIRT PASSING THE FILTER DURING TEST.
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In the order of filtering efficiency the results are:
FILTER % Efficiency
AC Delco OE 99.93%
Baldwin 99.72%
No name filter (made for gas engine, 1/3 less pleats) 99.32%
AFE ProGuard 7 (73-10062), panel filter 99.23%
WIX/Napa 99.03%
Purolator 98.73%
Amsoil, new style 98.63%
UNI 97.93%
K&N 96.80%
Additionally, these 2 were tested using FINE test dust. The K&N was cleaned and retested, the AFE was the conical version:
K&N 89.85%
AFE Conical 92.33%


FLOW RESTRICTION FROM BEST TO WORST:
FILTER RESTRICTION in Inches H2O
K&N 4.54
Mystery bargain filter 4.78
AFE Pro Guard 7 Panel 4.99
Purolator 5.05
WIX/Napa 5.06
UNI 5.40
Baldwin 5.71
Amsoil 5.88
AC Delco 6.23
DIRT HOLDING CAPACITY From best to worst. This is the AMOUNT OF DIRT it took to create an ADDITIONAL 10 inches of water restriction. At that point the test is terminated.This indicates HOW LONG a filter is good before it must be cleaned or replaced.
AC Delco 573.898 grams
WIX/Napa 447.366
Purolator 388.659
Baldwin 388.154
UNI 374.638
Mystery bargain 350.402
AFE Pro Guard 7 232.516
K&N 211.58
Amsoil 196.323
TOTAL DIRT PASSING THE FILTER DURING THE TEST. This is how much dirt your engine will take in if you use the filter for the duration that would cause the filter to become "dirty" enough to need replacement or cleaning. The "Dirt Passing The Filter" is the dirt collected by the "Post Filter" during the test.
FILTER DIRT IN GRAMS PASSED
AC Delco 0.4 g
Baldwin 1.1g
AFE Pro Guard 7 1.8g
Mystery Bargain 2.4g
Amsoil 2.7g
WIX/Napa 4.4g
Purolator 5.0g
K&N 6.0g
UNI 7.9g
Note: The Purolator was reported to have a seal malfunction during the test and passed more dirt than it would have with a good seal.
Interesting. SPICER


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In these test the AC Delco performs well. It states OE and does that mean that is a drop-in factory type filter and if so or not does anyone have a part number?
 

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So... what color is the proguard 7 media? i have seen the kits lised on line and some have photos with BLUE color filters and some have photos with CREAM color filters. The point would be to get the ProGuard 7 media as it seem to be one of the best all around deals.
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Is kit number 54-10191 (blue filter) one with with the Proguard-7..?
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simple .... get the Ford AIS and be done with it


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Powerstroke shop has a special on them at just under $190

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about the ford ais, is it good at flow or engine protection or both and why is an aftermarket part.

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Both.

The reason it's an aftermarket part is because it is only stock on the 6.0L engines. Ford then retrofitted them for the 7.3L engines and sells them as an aftermarket option. It is MUCH higher flow and filtering.

Best of all...there is no way Ford can tell you it will void your warranty. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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simple .... get the Ford AIS and be done with it


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What is the price of that bad boy?

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I just bought one form the Ford Parts Network, $189.99 plus 10.99 shipping. http://www.fordpartsnetwork.com/
 

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Just use an oily shop rag. It will filter better than a K&N. It should also flow more air than a k&N
 

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Now that is just not fair!! Here i was all ready to order an AFE and here is a ford part that may be as good.. is there any data posted on the airflow through these puppies?

Dave

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There is very good thread in Larry M's New Little Secrets that involves an engineer from Donaldson Company, the company that builds the AIS for Ford. Click Here I was seriously looking at the AFE Stage II but chose the AIS after looking at the numbers in this tread. Part of the deal for me is that in my experience open filters are noisy and my goal is to make the truck breath easily with a minimum of added noise.

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I just say go ahead and make your own like the one in my truck. Found the info on here it was really simple and cheap. About $50-$60 and I have a free flowing intake...Sounds awesome too. Check my pics to see what I am talking about.
 

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I just say go ahead and make your own like the one in my truck. Found the info on here it was really simple and cheap. About $50-$60 and I have a free flowing intake...Sounds awesome too. Check my pics to see what I am talking about.

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Looks good.. I might give that a try. What parts do I need?
 

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Just use an oily shop rag. It will filter better than a K&N. It should also flow more air than a k&N

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yep, and when its gets dirty, there should be another waiting in line.
I did not read this post until after I ordered stage II, I got the blue filter. oops I don't live in a dusty area, should I order prefilter for a little help?
 

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I've had good luck with the K&N FIPK for about 25k miles or so now(96k miles on the truck now). I've never had an oil report though either(not sure how to get one done).
I've heard bad things about the K&N drop in filters, but I'm tempted to place some/most the blame on the poor sealing oem box.
I've been looking at getting the AIS kit for a while now, but I'm looking to up the "lung size" of my truck and I'm not sure it'll support the coming air flow requirements. I've heard the AIS flow is limited by it's box, not sure if that is rumor or fact. I've contemplated doing some experimenting of my own, but that's a $200 unit. Anybody have any flow capacity numbers yet for the AIS?

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Looks good.. I might give that a try. What parts do I need?

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All you need is a Napa 6637 Filter should be around $35 mine cost $42 (South Florida)

A 4-inch long piece of 4-inch Exhaust pipe.

Constant tension hose clamp 4" about $5

and a 3/4" drill bit.

Just drill a hole in the pipe for the filter minder and zip tie the intake air temp sensor back by the master cylinder. All done and the whooosh is sweet....
 

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I have a tymar, i love that whistle, and it looks great. I made my own intake on my 91 olds acheiva S that has 276K on it, wouldnt chance it on something i cared about cause im not so good at fabing, i just bolted a big jap style filter on the throttle body lol, 5mpg increase.
 
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