Okay, I know there are a lot of threads about a "no start condition". My 05 truck so far has started every time, but only after I've turned the ignition over and held it for several seconds. Is this normal or is there something I can do? I try not to drag my batteries down. It has new fuel filters and EGR valve. My 05 6.0 is all stock with 97k miles. Any suggestions?
long starts?
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I have the same problem when it is the first start of the day. Mine is a 2006 with 78,000 miles. Mine cranks about 3-4 seconds before it finally starts. This symptom just started 5 months ago. The truck keeps starting, but, I feel like I'm pressing my luck letting it go this long before fixing it.
Sorry I don't have a definite answer for you. However, I have heard people suggest that the STC fitting could be leaking, however, I haven't gotten around to checking mine. They call this the Snap To Connect fitting. Supposedly this is common for 2005 and 2006's. I'm either waiting for mine to fail completely, in which case I would send it to a diesel mechanic, or a week of Vacation to do it myself. My body is not what it used to be, or I would attempt it on the weekend. I used to spend most of my weekends doing this or that on my vehicles, back in the days,....well, maybe you know how it goes.
There is a kit available from Bullet Proof Diesel for $58 that replaces the fitting with a much more reliable one. Here's the write-up on the Bullet Proof Diesel kit:
'An Upgrade Kit for the Ford, 6.0L engine, 2005-2007. Allows you to upgrade and replace the defective quick-connect style fitting and replace it with a threaded and o-ring sealed fitting. This is the perfect job to do when you already have the turbo off (such as when replacing the EGR cooler or oil cooler).'
And here's the link to the part:
High Pressure Oil Pump (HPOP) Pressure Fitting Upgrade Kit, 2005-2007
If you do replace your STC fitting, please post an update here. I'll do the same, since my symptom seems exactly like yours.
I just had a 4" stainless turbo back exhaust installed this weekend. It sounds and runs real good, but, it's hitting the bottom of the cab, so, I think this will get fixed first. It seems too loud to me, especially since it quiets down considerably when I hit the brakes fairly firm or take a modest left turn....well, that's another issue though isn't it.
Sorry I don't have a definite answer for you. However, I have heard people suggest that the STC fitting could be leaking, however, I haven't gotten around to checking mine. They call this the Snap To Connect fitting. Supposedly this is common for 2005 and 2006's. I'm either waiting for mine to fail completely, in which case I would send it to a diesel mechanic, or a week of Vacation to do it myself. My body is not what it used to be, or I would attempt it on the weekend. I used to spend most of my weekends doing this or that on my vehicles, back in the days,....well, maybe you know how it goes.
There is a kit available from Bullet Proof Diesel for $58 that replaces the fitting with a much more reliable one. Here's the write-up on the Bullet Proof Diesel kit:
'An Upgrade Kit for the Ford, 6.0L engine, 2005-2007. Allows you to upgrade and replace the defective quick-connect style fitting and replace it with a threaded and o-ring sealed fitting. This is the perfect job to do when you already have the turbo off (such as when replacing the EGR cooler or oil cooler).'
And here's the link to the part:
High Pressure Oil Pump (HPOP) Pressure Fitting Upgrade Kit, 2005-2007
If you do replace your STC fitting, please post an update here. I'll do the same, since my symptom seems exactly like yours.
I just had a 4" stainless turbo back exhaust installed this weekend. It sounds and runs real good, but, it's hitting the bottom of the cab, so, I think this will get fixed first. It seems too loud to me, especially since it quiets down considerably when I hit the brakes fairly firm or take a modest left turn....well, that's another issue though isn't it.
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If you have the infamous STC fitting problem, you would not have difficulty with the first start of the day when the oil was cold. If it is the STC fitting failure (or other HPO system leak) The hotter your oil gets, the more difficult it is to start. The oil thins as it becomes hotter and will flow out of a leaking area with more ease. This will lower the overall HPO system pressure and make it more difficult to start.
That "bulletproof" fitting is actually a Ford part, which you can get cheaper from Tousley Ford, a forum sponsor. I do not know the exact cost of the fitting and bracket from them because I had not only the STC fitting failure, I also had a bad seal in the HPOP and it leaked out of the shaft as well. The new HPOP does not come with the new style fitting, it has to be ordered separately.
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If you only have a long start in the morning and it does not start harder when hot, the problem is not the STC fitting.
Load test your batteries (even if they are only months old), charge them fully, then check your FICM properly by following the directions that can be found HERE.
DO NOT bother trying to check the FICM until you have load tested the batteries. Autozone will check them for you for nothing. The way these trucks are wired allows the truck to turn over rapidly and not start due to a dead or dying cell. Ignore this and you will need not only batteries, but a new FICM as well because low voltage will burn up the FICM.
That "bulletproof" fitting is actually a Ford part, which you can get cheaper from Tousley Ford, a forum sponsor. I do not know the exact cost of the fitting and bracket from them because I had not only the STC fitting failure, I also had a bad seal in the HPOP and it leaked out of the shaft as well. The new HPOP does not come with the new style fitting, it has to be ordered separately.
Tousley Ford 800-328-9552
If you only have a long start in the morning and it does not start harder when hot, the problem is not the STC fitting.
Load test your batteries (even if they are only months old), charge them fully, then check your FICM properly by following the directions that can be found HERE.
DO NOT bother trying to check the FICM until you have load tested the batteries. Autozone will check them for you for nothing. The way these trucks are wired allows the truck to turn over rapidly and not start due to a dead or dying cell. Ignore this and you will need not only batteries, but a new FICM as well because low voltage will burn up the FICM.
Thanks for the info. My truck seems to actually start better when its cold or the first start of the morning. It does turn over longer after its warm, even if its been sitting for a couple of hours. I'm going to have the batteries checked first because I've only had the truck for a little over six months and even though they look like fairly new motorcraft batteries, I have no idea how long they've been installed.
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God, I hate when I TYPO a statement. GRRRRRR
That SHOULD read:
If you have the infamous STC fitting, you would not have difficulty with the first start, and only as the oil gets hotter.
There is an exception to that rule and that is if you park your truck on a decent incline, as the oil may flow by gravity through your failed fitting while the oil is hot from running it, and parked on the incline to induce that flow.
OK? Now it makes sense......
EDIT: I Edited that post and reworded the entire paragraph so that the statements were correct and the whole paragraph made sense.
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You may be experiencing the beginnings of the famed STC fitting failure or other High pressure oil system leak. If you really want to know what the issue is before you start tearing into this, you should spend a little cash and have the exact location of the oil leak diagnosed. Let them know up front that you only want to know what component you need to fix. It will save you aggravation and un-necessary repairs. I suggest a COMPETENT Ford dealer. I highlight that so you know not just any Ford dealer is capable of performing such a test.
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Ex_Mounty,
Thanks for the explanation about how parking on an incline can cause a long start. I park my truck uphill; my driveway is inclined. I'm going to try parking the truck backwards in the driveway. If it suddenly starts right up in the morning....that's good evidence that my STC fitting is leaking.
Thanks for the explanation about how parking on an incline can cause a long start. I park my truck uphill; my driveway is inclined. I'm going to try parking the truck backwards in the driveway. If it suddenly starts right up in the morning....that's good evidence that my STC fitting is leaking.
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