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What kind of world are we leaving to our kids if we allow the Bankers to run roughshod over society with the Fed subsidizing the very investment Banks that are doing it?

Hopefully by then Stem Cell research will be advanced enough to the point they can grow me a new prostate every few years.
Hey, a little Anal Massage from that bike seat might just do your prostate some good! :lol:

Remember when…There was a time when debt rose and speculation was rampant :tausch:, the market was hot. When an adjustment in the ‘bubble’ started, the Gov stepped in to ‘fix things’. As usual, this just made things worse and the more Gov did, the worse it got for over a decade with no end in sight.

It took WWII to end it all. How little we learn. :headbang::brickwall:
 

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In this country, you can only look within for salvation.
Your Gov't tax dollars have always fed the egos of your representatives, and not your own well being.
I don't plan on SS, or any type of federal health care.
I rely on me, because if I/we rely on anyone else, we're going to end up in big trouble when we get old..
I am sure most of you feel the same way.

So, fuel cost relief?
You got to be kidding me....
 

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Europe is running short on diesel right now. The oil companies are actually exporting refined ULSD from the US to Europe right now because of the price differential. Dollar-Euro exchange rate helps exports alot.:thdown:
I can vouch for that,we are Shipping Very Large amounts of ULSD overseas right now.
 

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I'm Glad that my government is looking out for me, and my generation. :lol:
Makes me wonder what it'll be like when im 50.
 

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Today - in British Columbia - Canada - Vancouver Island diesel is about $1.35 a liter x 3.78 = 1 US gallon - - -thats $5.10! Shopped yesterday - loaf of bread = $4.95. I have no idea how many you could feed with three fish - but the multitude MUST be somewhere.:jester:

Here's an IDEA - Embargo all oil shippments at the demarkation port - take only a couple of weeks to have the oil flowing over the sand - surely we could suck it up for a couple of weeks:wink2:

Our Provincal Govt. just announced a carbon tax will be applied to fuel - I believe July 1 - obviously they think 5.10 a gal. is NOT high enough? - go figure.

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Hey, a little Anal Massage from that bike seat might just do your prostate some good! :lol:

Remember when…There was a time when debt rose and speculation was rampant :tausch:, the market was hot. When an adjustment in the ‘bubble’ started, the Gov stepped in to ‘fix things’. As usual, this just made things worse and the more Gov did, the worse it got for over a decade with no end in sight.

It took WWII to end it all. How little we learn. :headbang::brickwall:

FDR made things worse by building Grand Coulee Dam, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Bureau of Reclamation, putting us on a FIXED exchange rate monetary system, Social Security and Securities and Exchange Commission?

It seems like all the problems in the financial system came back when they did away with all the rules? Savings and Loan in the 80's? Deregulation of the power market gave us Enron?

I want to make sure I am interpreting things correctly so tell me what I am missing here.
 

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FDR made things worse by building Grand Coulee Dam, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Bureau of Reclamation, putting us on a FIXED exchange rate monetary system, Social Security and Securities and Exchange Commission?

It seems like all the problems in the financial system came back when they did away with all the rules? Savings and Loan in the 80's? Deregulation of the power market gave us Enron?

I want to make sure I am interpreting things correctly so tell me what I am missing here.
That pretty much sums it up!
 

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Well I'm replying to ya!

In this country, you can only look within for salvation.
Your Gov't tax dollars have always fed the egos of your representatives, and not your own well being.
I don't plan on SS, or any type of federal health care.
I rely on me, because if I/we rely on anyone else, we're going to end up in big trouble when we get old..
I am sure most of you feel the same way.

So, fuel cost relief?
You got to be kidding me....
But someone keeps deleting and sending my response to New Hampshire!:thdown:
 

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So what has to happen in order to make the U.S. energy-independent?

More Mass-Transportation but obviously since our populations are not centralized, we have to come up with alternative fuel sources for independent transportation.

There has to be some hard numbers somewhere that say if we add X mass-transporation, mandate Y fuel efficiency etc.....

Why has their not been the creation of a government agency started just for this purpose? It could be called the "Energy Security Agency" or something.

I don't see anything with being "protectionist" when it comes to energy.
 

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How about we call it the "Department of Energy"?

Imagine if we had put even a 10% carbon tax on domestic fuels and a 50% carbon tax on imported fuels in 1979 (the year of the second Arab oil embargo) and gave the DOE the same funding, mandate and respect we gave NASA in the 1960s.

29 years later, we'd be spending about the same money per gallon but we'd have light rail corridors in every freeway median, AMTRAK schedules that work, 50-100 mi/gal cars, less suburban sprawl, residential energy retrofits, most of the thousands of tons of nuclear waste cleaned up, no need for new refinery capacity; wind farms in Nebraska, solar farms in Nevada, tidal generators in Maine and a robust grid delivering electric power where it's needed; and be spending less money on fuel per year.

Instead, we bought into the myth that collective action is inherently bad and let Exxon & Enron make energy policy.

Like the Fram Filter guy used to say, "Pay me now, or pay me later."

Ever since 1979, Jimmy Carter and the Green Party have been warning us that this day would come.
Sometimes, it sucks to be right.
 

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I'll go you one more

How about we call it the "Department of Energy"?

Imagine if we had put even a 10% carbon tax on domestic fuels and a 50% carbon tax on imported fuels in 1979 (the year of the second Arab oil embargo) and gave the DOE the same funding, mandate and respect we gave NASA in the 1960s.

29 years later, we'd be spending about the same money per gallon but we'd have light rail corridors in every freeway median, AMTRAK schedules that work, 50-100 mi/gal cars, less suburban sprawl, residential energy retrofits, most of the thousands of tons of nuclear waste cleaned up, no need for new refinery capacity; wind farms in Nebraska, solar farms in Nevada, tidal generators in Maine and a robust grid delivering electric power where it's needed; and be spending less money on fuel per year.

Instead, we bought into the myth that collective action is inherently bad and let Exxon & Enron make energy policy.

Like the Fram Filter guy used to say, "Pay me now, or pay me later."

Ever since 1979, Jimmy Carter and the Green Party have been warning us that this day would come.
Sometimes, it sucks to be right.
50% tax would bankrupt many companies. However a stiff tax on imported energy and how about a tax CREDIT on domestic energy and a DOUBLE credit on alternative domestic energy. Yes I know the credits would go to me but it's better here than over there!
 

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How about we call it the "Department of Energy"?

Imagine if we had put even a 10% carbon tax on domestic fuels and a 50% carbon tax on imported fuels in 1979 (the year of the second Arab oil embargo) and gave the DOE the same funding, mandate and respect we gave NASA in the 1960s.

29 years later, we'd be spending about the same money per gallon but we'd have light rail corridors in every freeway median, AMTRAK schedules that work, 50-100 mi/gal cars, less suburban sprawl, residential energy retrofits, most of the thousands of tons of nuclear waste cleaned up, no need for new refinery capacity; wind farms in Nebraska, solar farms in Nevada, tidal generators in Maine and a robust grid delivering electric power where it's needed; and be spending less money on fuel per year.

Instead, we bought into the myth that collective action is inherently bad and let Exxon & Enron make energy policy.

Like the Fram Filter guy used to say, "Pay me now, or pay me later."

Ever since 1979, Jimmy Carter and the Green Party have been warning us that this day would come.
Sometimes, it sucks to be right.

Understanding economics is not easy.

Even if we paid more for "energy", if the energy was produced here would the country not be "saving" as a whole?

I suppose trade imbalances work if our currency is worth more than everyone elses but that's not the case anymore. It's really turning out to be a perfect storm.

It's definitely negatively impacting the car business. No question about it.

And I totally agree. If the kids at NASA can launch a ship at a comet, Orbit the comet and shoot another little sattelite at it's surface and watch the ensuing carnage, I am sure they are smart enough to look at America's energy situation and say ok, here is what you need to do.

Then after that, we can pay them back by giving them all the money they need to put us on MARS. :thumbsup:

I am going to go back to school and finally finish getting my BSME but as we can see, it's not that America lacks intelligence, it's our leaders simply do not have the will-power to what is good for the country as a whole.

Do any candidates, even the ones that are not well known, have any clue about this issue?

Roosevelt did BIIIIIIGGGGGGGG infrasctructure projects to create jobs during the depression, will things have to get that bad before we act and does anyone at this point in time even have the balls or leadership skills to do what he did?
 

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... Do any candidates, even the ones that are not well known, have any clue about this issue? ...
I daresay I qualify as both "not well known" and "have a clue".
 

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I daresay I qualify as both "not well known" and "have a clue".

You'll be running against me and I have special powers that can make a Chad hang like no Chad has ever hung before. :wink2:


No seriously though, this issue could literally destroy the country in a matter of a few years.

What are we going to do about it?
 

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Shoulda, woulda coulda... The country is bankrupt.

This thread looks like Clam bait to me. Just wait till he chimes in. You are all doomed.

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Oil is meant to be burned - used veg, tranny or motor oil - filter it, mix it, burn it all. The government lies to us.
 

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I don't know about destroy?

You'll be running against me and I have special powers that can make a Chad hang like no Chad has ever hung before. :wink2:


No seriously though, this issue could literally destroy the country in a matter of a few years.

What are we going to do about it?

But major economic changes in business and peoples lives, I would say it's happening right now.
 

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But major economic changes in business and peoples lives, I would say it's happening right now.
I have been seeing this locally now for months with no end in site. Less people in resturants, parents skipping meals and smaller towns used to having weekend tourists are seeing less business as people dip further into savings like 401K' and IRA's to pay for the increases in food and fuel.
Business owners have less retained profit to put back into the business and give salary increases which are less and not as frequent.
It is snowballing at a rapid rate as the "Ants" save for what the "Grasshoppers" can't foresee.
 
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