[Roger_007]

Last week I noticed a "Warning" Label next to the diesel pump at a local Shell Station. The label (paraphrase) said Ultra Low Sulphur Fuel: Do not use in vehicles of model year 2007 or later. What?

I have a 6.0L 2006 PSD and wanted more infomation. I called two Ford places and they said there is a chance the Ultra Low may damage the engine. One dealer said FORD is going to come out with an official statement concerning the fuel and the use of it in thier engines. In the meantime, the dealer told me that I /must/ use a Diesel Fuel additive for injector lubrication. Has anyone else heard of this? Note: I'm not sure if the fuel was Low-Sulphur or Ultra Low. It's whatever they normally sell. Also, I called a local petroleum company, and the rep told me they are just putting out the warning stickers on all of the pumps around town that they service. Something is going on. I can't get an answer from Ford concerning this issue. I just saw the same Warning label/sticker at a Connoco station. The people inside said, "Diesel sticker? What sticker?" I checked again and the stcker/label referred to vehicle year models 2007 or later. So why would a 2006 need the fuel additive? I called the main Ford number and after 10 minutes of teleprompter listings, I finally got ahold off a human. Well, that wasn't any better. They did not have anything to say on the issue at this time. I found several hits on the internet concerning the fuel and the types of problems it causes.

I started this post since I was afraid a reply to something similar was buried in another topic. Thanks to those who responded to it.

Thanks....

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

Back in the mid 90's when California went to a low sulphur diesel it cost the state a lot of money. Engines that had been brought up on the regular fuel started having major problems with injector seal failures when they started running the low sulphur stuff. Trucking companies tend to carry a lot of influence up in Sacramento, and the result was that if your engine started having seal failures you could get the state to pay for the repairs.

I suspect that the lesson has been learned, and hence the warnings...

 

[JKitterman]

Ultra low sulphur diesel is required for the emissions equipment on 2007 and above diesels. It should be phased in by mid year, I think. There won't be any low sulphur diesel sold at the pumps by the end of the year. Some places are already carrying it. The lubricity of the fuel should be the same or better than current as there is a standard to adhere to now.

 

[chl4]

So.... Are we all going to start having problems or will there still be regular diesel available? Will additives solve the problem for post 07' trucks /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[Mr_Roboto]

The problem we are going to have is that the new diesel will make our seals shrink and leak. It has to do with reduced aromatic content, our seals are composed of the proper materials for the OLD diesel aromatic level.

Right now I am working on a filtering system for used motor oil to burn in my diesel. If I have the choice of running crap fuel that will screw up my motor, and crap used motor oil that will screw up my motor, I'll take the motor oil.

 

[LRH]

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Last week I noticed a "Warning" Label next to the diesel pump at a local Shell Station. The label (paraphrase) said Ultra Low Sulphur Fuel: Do not use in vehicles of model year 2007 or later. What?....

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If that is how the label is worded, then it makes no sense. If it is indeed ULTRA low sulfer then that is what the 2007 and later will require when they are released. The 2007 and later can't use high or low sulfer; it must be ultra low...............

 

[sabre737]

I saw the same label, was at the pump today. Something to the order of "THIS PUMP CONTRAINS LOW SULPHUR DIESEL. Do not use in any MY2007 vehicle will harm the engine do to emissions standards" or something along those lines. Its a big ole sticker, 4" x 6 ", hard to miss.

Dave

 

[LRH]

So do the labels state "LOW sulphur" or "ULTRA LOW sulphur" ?

 

[Parrothead]

The labels say, "Low sulfur diesel, 500 PPM Max..Unlawful to use in 2007 and later vehicles".

There aren't even any 2007 vehicles out there yet and they're already posting signs on the pumps that you can't use the fuel in your '07??

Don't you folks smell a screw job coming up? There's going to be an artificially created shortage of ultra-low sulfur diesel, so they'll jack up the price 50 cents a gallon even though it costs only a nickle more to refine. And they can sell the sulfur to the chemical industry, tire manufacture and for agricultural use.

Someone needs to ask Shell just exactly why they're not planning to be selling ULSD after the '07s hit the streets. It's not exactly like they didn't have years of warning.

You all just wait until the shirt hits the fan and they start blaming everyone around for a fake shortage of ULSD and the necessity to jack up prices even more.

 

[RoyC]

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The labels say, "Low sulfur diesel, 500 PPM Max..Unlawful to use in 2007 and later vehicles".

There aren't even any 2007 vehicles out there yet and they're already posting signs on the pumps that you can't use the fuel in your '07??

Don't you folks smell a screw job coming up? There's going to be an artificially created shortage of ultra-low sulfur diesel, so they'll jack up the price 50 cents a gallon even though it costs only a nickle more to refine. And they can sell the sulfur to the chemical industry, tire manufacture and for agricultural use.

Someone needs to ask Shell just exactly why they're not planning to be selling ULSD after the '07s hit the streets. It's not exactly like they didn't have years of warning.

You all just wait until the shirt hits the fan and they start blaming everyone around for a fake shortage of ULSD and the necessity to jack up prices even more.

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I do love these conspiracy theories!!!!! ULSD is already out here and it is being sold NOW around Atlanta. If you go look at diesel prices at some of the truck stop company sites (Pilot, FJ ETC) you will see Atlanta is lower than most for diesel right now.

RoyC

 

[Birken Vogt]

LSD, 500 ppm, has been the standard for years. ULSD, 15 ppm, is what MY2007 engines have to run. So they are just warning you not to put that fuel in a 2007 engine. Soon every diesel pump will have a sticker declaring which of the two it is, it is the law and its enforcement time is nearing.

Birken

 

[LRH]

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LSD, 500 ppm, has been the standard for years. ULSD, 15 ppm, is what MY2007 engines have to run. So they are just warning you not to put that fuel in a 2007 engine. Soon every diesel pump will have a sticker declaring which of the two it is, it is the law and its enforcement time is nearing.

Birken

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I know LSD has been the standard for years, but the original poster stated the pump he saw read ULTRA LSD. I think he just misread the sign as it should have read LSD.

 

[barrelhorses]

Why are they putting these stickers on the pumps? Will the oil companies continue to make both ULSD and LSD? Seems to me it wouldn't be necessary to put that sticker on the pump if only the approved ULSD is being pumped when the 07's hit the pavement. The diesel-owning consumer will have to purchase what fuel is available, regardless of what some sticker says about it being illegal, etc.

 

[hapaschold]

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Why are they putting these stickers on the pumps? Will the oil companies continue to make both ULSD and LSD? Seems to me it wouldn't be necessary to put that sticker on the pump if only the approved ULSD is being pumped when the 07's hit the pavement. The diesel-owning consumer will have to purchase what fuel is available, regardless of what some sticker says about it being illegal, etc.

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from what i ve heard, LSD till jan 07, only ULSD after jan 07.

 

[jschira]

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[DonRobbie]

There are prototype 07 engines going into service with fleets. Most of them have their own fueling facilities and separate ULSD pumps. If Low Sulphur diesel is used in an 07 engine it will clog the DPF (and would not be covered under warranty). As the prototypes get out and about there is the chance a driver might need to fuel away from the terminal. They are trying to protect the few with 07 engines from a dumb fueling mistake.

 

[MarvinVR]

Are you guys saying after 07 we will not be able to get fuel that will not harm our early engines? Will 06 and earlier engines be obsolete????!!!!!

 

[Dave Whitmer]

Anybody wanna bet that USLD doesn't cause shortages?

 

[grounder]

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Anybody wanna bet that USLD doesn't cause shortages?

[/ QUOTE ]Probabley so,But They will play it out as another smoke screen to raise the prices.I still will use a Lubricity additive no matter what they claim they have done to it as far as Thier additive package.

 

[Birken Vogt]

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Are you guys saying after 07 we will not be able to get fuel that will not harm our early engines? Will 06 and earlier engines be obsolete????!!!!!

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No of course not. Just like when we had the switch to unleaded, and then the switch to oxygenated, and the original switch from high sulfur to low sulfur, lots of dire predictions will be made about the supposed damage to old vehicles. And of course any time a 6.9 with 350,000 miles throws a rod it will be the fault of this new fuel. But most of us will go on and not give a darn

Of course one thing never changes...the price will always go up

Birken