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I don't want to do an intercooler, so these Beans are not going in. Pulling around 9.5K pounds my EGTs can very easily hit 1200 on my stock setting.

What else can I do to lower them besides an IC? What should I do with these injectors, they don't do returns.

 

[TimC63]

Sample!

Don't forget the other half of the equation; that is, how hard you are loading the powertrain... how much taller are those 305/70's compared to stock tires?
Seems you have done all the obvious mods, so I wonder if that tire size, even with 4.10's is just working that truck HARD...
Guess the last thought is, how high will those EGTs go if you stay into the throttle??? If you are pre-turbo with your pyro probe, and the temps don't go much higher, you may still be OK... modded injectors will surely push you even higher tho.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

God Bless,

TC

 

[Garbage_Mechanic]

It's simple- control temps with right foot and eyeball cordination. Also, at 197k your injectors are weak if not previously replaced, trust me I know, what a difference new ones will make, worth it!

 

[Sample]

Those temps are pre turbo, but they seem like they would continue to climb if I kept in it.

 

[Rtxcoon]

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What should I do with these injectors, they don't do returns.

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try the "for sale" section of this board....

 

[TimMiller]

put the stage one's in and then if you need to get the fuel cut back on your tow program.

 

[Vengeance]

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I don't want to do an intercooler, so these Beans are not going in. Pulling around 9.5K pounds my EGTs can very easily hit 1200 on my stock setting.

What else can I do to lower them besides an IC? What should I do with these injectors, they don't do returns.

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You have other issue's than needing to worry about whether or not to put the injectors in. Typically, with a set of fresh stage I injectors and a good tow tune on the chip, your egt's will be just fine, with no intercooler needed. From the issue's you have described, there is something else going on you need to address, and before you sell the injectors and exhaust, then I would highly suggest you do some testing on it, because, those very injectors your trying desperately to get rid of, may well be the answer to your needs. Unless of course you just decided on going a different direction or selling the truck and getting something else.

 

[caryt]

Why /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif don't you install a IC /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. What is the problem with one? $$? Installation?

Cary

 

[Allister73]

Vengeance, I would be curious to know what other issues you think are going on. I live here at 6000 ft above sea level, and with a 7k load going up 7 % grade, I can easily tap 1300 on egt if I do not feather the throttle in third gear. Just be curious to see what you mean. Maybe I have similar troubles with my truck going on I do not know about. Thanks Colin /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

 

[Nit]

my first suggestion is to stop ***** footing around with it adn get the rpm up to 2800 while towing, lose a gear if you have too, bu tif you can hit over 1200* stock then you may have a problem, rpm and boost will solve most high EGT issues, so the injectors are really what you need.

 

[radarman]

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how much taller are those 305/70's compared to stock tires?

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Barely a half inch, if that. Wider yes, but taller, not really. My speedo is spot on with my 305's.

I can see what he is talking about on the EGT's. I can bury my 1500 EGT guage pretty easy while towing about 8000 lbs. In fact, going up the grades with my trailer, it sits right at 1200 all the way up while running about 55 mph. NOTE, I have NOT installed my IC yet, so I am hoping it will cool about 200* when I do that... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

 

[ryanPSD]

Using what kind of programming?


I can get my temps up somewhat easily in stock programming, I don't think I'm pulling more than 2500lbs. What is so special about the tow programs? Does it fire the injectors any differently (timing/pulse width) to keep temps down, or is it stock with otherwise different shifting patterns for the automatics? (I don't have a tow program, plus I got a 5spd).

Then again I have 3.55 gears with 285s, somewhat low ratio to tow in. No IC yet either.

 

[Hybrid]

I tow with much taller tires than that, and although I do have an intercooler, you can do much better than what you're seeing if your truck was acting right. As was mentioned above, rpms are crutial. I don't even think of towing heavy under 2500rpms. I like to run 2600-3000rpms depending on load and the speed I want to run.

As far as the "other" things go, number one is ICP and number two is timing. If your ICP is bogging down to lower than 2000 at least, combined with very mild timing, and rpms and boost being too low, you can easily get hot quick.

Injectors are far from your problem though. Give old ****** a chance, the towing I'm referring to was with 250cc hybrids so injectors don't just "make" something run hot. Bad surrounding conditions do, like timing, ICP, rpm, boost..........

You'll get it I'm sure. I would highly recommend losing the fear of an intercooler though if you honestly plan to tow regularly on any significant weight at good speed without water, or a different charger, or something much more expensive than an intercooler.

Good Luck

 

[rckcrlr]

Yep, I live at 5K feet and tow 7K lbs give or take over some STEEP passes. Yes in OD I can get the EGT's way up there (12-13K) but if I drop it down and let the rpm's come up, it cools it right down. I have yet to find anywhere I can't tow at 65-70mph if I want. The IC will just make me feel a little better about it.

 

[barrybaker]

I also live in Colorado and I even with my Babies and intercooler I can get the egt's up there. I think what made the biggest difference for me was to go with a smaller turbo housing that lets the turbo spool up faster and get the boost up which seems to cool it down better. I towed my 15K trailer on Memorial Day weeked down highway 115 to Canon City and even on some of those hills it never got over 1200 but usually stayed around 1100.

Barry

 

[chainfeed]

stage 1's have stock nozzles. Put them on and run in a stock program and they act like stock injectors. Put them in!

 

[brahamfireman]

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my first suggestion is to stop ***** footing around with it adn get the rpm up to 2800 while towing

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thats funny, my thoughts on alot of peoples EGT problems.

I know you have an open element in your sig but I remember a thread awhile back where you said you lost performance and put the stock box back on, are you still running the open element??? what are you seeing for boost numbers??? low to mid 20's are possible with stock injectors. maybe an exhaust leak somewhere.

PM me with what you want for em. I may know a few people that would want em.

Diesel Rod

 

[rmyers2051]

I installed Babies a few months ago, used in conjunction with the 4page Bully Dog that I traded a former board member out of. With the chip on tow/medium/or too much smoke position the egts would rocket up to 1200(post), and unless I backed out they would continue to climb.
A very good friend of mine runs a 4x4 shop here close to me and has started(like everyone else) selling diesel enhancement toys. He convinced me to try a new Bully Dog chip, a 5 position one,(stock, stock with 1k idle, 50hp, 75hp,and extremely too much smoke). I towed an empty enclosed trailer yesterday for the first tow after the new chip, it climbed this one hill coming out of CIncinnati in the #3 setting with less smoke, less egt and about 15 mph faster than it did last week with old chip and no trailer. Boost is down a few psi also, and everything I used to know about diesel tells me lower boost =less performance. Well, it aint so!!Fuel mileage has increased a little but only maybe .7 or.8 per gallon for a two tank average.

 

[Soaggydogg]

Those BD chips are most likely meant for stock injectors and you will never get the full potential out of modified ones with them. That explains why you say too much smoke, it is wayyy overfueled.

 

[brahamfireman]

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Boost is down a few psi also, and everything I used to know about diesel tells me lower boost =less performance. Well, it aint so!!Fuel mileage has increased a little but only maybe .7 or.8 per gallon for a two tank average.

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more boost will always mean better performance as the added air will burn more fuel.... and you got better ilage beacuse like soagy dog said the new chip is for stock injectors, so you were getting the same amount of fuel as stockers. plus the new chips are WAY better then the old ones so that prolly helped the milage too.

Diesel Rod