[The_Dude]

Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-150 Pickup Trucks
Wednesday June 6, 3:44 pm ET

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[Jim Z]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

If there's one thing over which I would LOVE to see Ford nailed to the wall, it's the disgusting way they treat their suppliers. I hope International sticks it to 'em.

 

[smokyred]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

Oh yes, Ford is so terrible, no one else treats their suppliers like that, oh wait, GM does. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Dave

 

[NatesDiesel]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

And what they sow shall be reaped unto them. (That was the biblical version of "You made your bed, now hop in")

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Nate

 

[smokyred]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Dave

 

[Jim Z]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

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Oh yes, Ford is so terrible, no one else treats their suppliers like that, oh wait, GM does. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Dave

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GM has finally figured out that it doesn't work.

Besides, since when did two wrongs make a right? Chrysler's even worse than Ford in this regard, and their quality and sales are both in the basement.

 

[BigDaddyT]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

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Besides, since when did two wrongs make a right? Chrysler's even worse than Ford in this regard, and their quality and sales are both in the basement.

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Sales might be in the crapper but all the rags put chryslers quality right where it was supposed to be. They have consistently ranked above ford the last few years and GM is getting up there with toyota in quality and reliability. Ford is shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[navistar45]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

seems like i heard on the radio just the other day[paul harvey] ford just bumped toyota for the #1 spot in quality. didnt here what category [cars,trucks or overall] .

 

[smokyred]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

I was just going to say the same thing, guess Ford isn't doing so bad after all. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Dave

 

[rvannatta]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

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I was just going to say the same thing, guess Ford isn't doing so bad after all. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Dave

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Ford has creative lawyers at least---- they buy short blocks from
navistar and put their own fuel systems on them, and when the Fuel systems fail, they sue Navistar for the loss......

 

[Diesel Jay]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

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they buy short blocks from
navistar and put their own fuel systems on them, and when the Fuel systems fail, they sue Navistar for the loss......

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What engine would that be?

- Jay

 

[rvannatta]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

The power stroke diesel---they get the base engine from Navistar
and put ford stuff on top of it.

 

[610cumminz]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

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Oh yes, Ford is so terrible, no one else treats their suppliers like that, oh wait, GM does. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Dave

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GM has finally figured out that it doesn't work.

Besides, since when did two wrongs make a right? Chrysler's even worse than Ford in this regard, and their quality and sales are both in the basement.

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yes dodge is worse then ford on quality and there suppliers /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif just look at the way they treat Cummins
and look at all the problems they have with the 5.9. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif not like ford and the 6.0. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifand i don't see dodge in court with cummins /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif no they pay there suppliers.but i guess you have to make comments like that to make yourself fell smart about buying a ford /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif

 

[frobozz]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

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The power stroke diesel---they get the base engine from Navistar
and put ford stuff on top of it.

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Not much Ford stuff! Certainly not "the fuel system" as the previous poster stated. Ford's control computer runs the show (mostly because it also has to interact with all the other Ford computers, like the Torqshift and the dash), but even there I believe Navistar is writing most of the engine code.

Duncan

 

[AutoJim]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

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The power stroke diesel---they get the base engine from Navistar
and put ford stuff on top of it.

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Man, if you believe this, you need to increase the thickness of your tinfoil hat, maybe rig and external ground strap...

The "base engine" is EVERYTHING from turbo inlet to turbo outlet with the exception of the CAC tubes. Ford isn't buying "short blocks" (which is a block, crank, pistons & rods, and sometimes a camshaft) and putting "their own stuff" on top of them. They're not buying "long blocks" (a short block plus cylinder heads), either.

The engines shipped from ITEC to Ford are, and have been, complete, ready-to-use engines that only need external umbilicals (fluids and electrical) hooked up to run.

The 6L uses a Ford ECU but most of the operational code was done by ITEC. The 7.3L used an ITEC ECU with automatic trucks getting a partially-neutered EEC to run the transmission.

If you're going to throw someone under the bus, make sure it's the right someone...

 

[Spencnaz]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

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And what they sow shall be reaped unto them. (That was the biblical version of "You made your bed, now hop in")

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Nate

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Or as Theseus said to Procrustes as he lopped off his head and feet "you have made your bed old man, now sleep in it".

 

[Jim Z]

Re: Navistar Files Lawsuit against Ford for Breach of Contract Involving Diesel Engines for Ford F-1

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yes dodge is worse then ford on quality and there suppliers just look at the way they treat Cummins
and look at all the problems they have with the 5.9. not like ford and the 6.0. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifand i don't see dodge in court with cummins /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif no they pay there suppliers.but i guess you have to make comments like that to make yourself fell smart about buying a ford

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You know, Cummins is far from Chrysler's only supplier. Just sayin', is all.