[Garbage_Mechanic]

I need a new starter for my 96 7.3. I'm posting here because of the bigger # of people up here. I had planned to get one from DB before it failed. Well I may have missed that chance and I'm not giving up my weekend. I wante dto go DB because they are new and an upgrade. I have now found a local rebuilder / warehouse that matched DB with the same units. DB has 3 on their site, my source has 2 of them in stock at prices that match DB including freight.
My first choice is the 4kw Nippondenso (I have heard it described as one big bad starter) at $169.95
They also have the 3.6kw Mitsubishi PLGR at $119 This is a 3 bolt maybe the same as my stock one?
My local source doesn't have the OSGR 3.6 KW 2bolt 2001-2003 unit.
My local guy (who I use for lots of fleet big rig stuff) says the 4kw unit is just more robust and will survive abuse such as extended cranking better than the other.


Any one have any bad experience with the big 4kw Nippondenso?

Cost isn't really the issue, the old one has 200,000 miles on it, so the new one should last 10 more years

 

[haul_n_horses2]

I went with the 4kw Nippon Denso starter from DB Electrical here. Brian Thompson was impressed with how fast it turned over the engine after putting in new injectors and HPOP. Said it would have taken twice as long cranking to get the engine to fire with an OEM starter. Lots of folks on these forums have this one and are happy with it. For $149.00 it is a steal.

 

[Boggerr]

I just put that starter in our work truck.If it was a 6 speed i could use that starter to drive around.Scared the hell out of my boss when he fired up the truck /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Zedicus]

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I just put that starter in our work truck.If it was a 6 speed i could use that starter to drive around.Scared the hell out of my boss when he fired up the truck /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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How did it scare him?

 

[Zedicus]

C'mon, I'm itching to know /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[MarvinVR]

My Nippon from DB arrives today. Watch your holes becasue my 2001 is a TWO hole.

Ill come back in here after its installed and tell you if the hell gets scared out of me---lol.

 

[MarvinVR]

Dang. It makes the OEM look like a thimble. This is one HD looking starter. Hard to believe it was under $190 when a Ford weak unit is almost $400 at the dealer.

Going to hook it up in an hour or so and see what happens.

 

[Garbage_Mechanic]

You will be happy.......

 

[my3wags]

Just to clairify. that unit from DB is NOT manufactured by "Nippondenso" . It is however a very good Chinese knock off. Some of the components on the inside of that unit are not interchangable with the OEM "denso" parts for future repairs. I just dont want to take anything away from Nippondenso. They have worked very hard for the excellent reputation they have.

food for thought

Big E

 

[Zedicus]

Hm, what about this starter?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...504890&rd=1,1

 

[Garbage_Mechanic]

Yes, I thought that might be the deal since it was in an unmarked china cardboard box and there is no indentification on the starter anywhere. But it does look just like the one on a JD 544H loader!

 

[my3wags]

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Hm, what about this starter?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...504890&rd=1,1

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That one is the VISTION version. It's a 3.6kw OSGR. I think it only came in the 01-02 PSD. not a real good design. You would be better off with the Denso version.

 

[my3wags]

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Yes, I thought that might be the deal since it was in an unmarked china cardboard box and there is no indentification on the starter anywhere. But it does look just like the one on a JD 544H loader!

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Don't get me wrong. You will probably have great success with that unit. They sure do spin alot faster than the factory unit....

Good luck

Big E

 

[MarvinVR]

OK. I got the dam*** thing on. Its a LOT heaveir and larger than stock, so trying to do it laying on my rough gravel driveway wasnt a perfect evening.

TIP: Dont connect the wires BEFORE you try to get it in.
TIP: Do flatten your hot lead end and/or cut off the tab that kept it from spinning on the bolt.

You have to push the butt end way up first and bring the gear down into the hole then twist a bit. The case clears my crossmember by about 1/8 inch.

From some posts I was prepared to hear a jet engine/mopar type howl and an rpm that would throw the pistons out through the heads, but instead it doesnt sound much different than the OEM EXCEPT that after a few turns it sounds almost like a knocking or like the unit is loose, but not a grinding of teeth sound. I double checked the torque and its tight. Not having heard one of these before, I dont know if its normal or bad, which is a bad thing NOT to know. I dont think the RPM is that different, or again maybe I was expecting a huge difference. But we all know that nothing works right for me including just wiping window glass.

Im going to try and rig a long microphone cable to take a sound bite and post it. Just hope this thing isnt bad and screws up the flywheel because I dont know what to listen for.

I am a little pissed cuz the website says Nippondenso, not 'nippondenso look alike'. I didnt know anything about this until a poster above said something.

 

[MarvinVR]

Just noticed something else---the ad says 4kW but on the test report that came with it says 3.0

Specs are:

Current @ max power 641 amps
Torque @ max Power 17.35 Nm
SPeed @ max power 1358 rpm
Max Torque 26.8 Nm
Max current 831 Amps

Unit tests speeds:

RPM Amps Voltage
2498 398 9.0
2000 488 8.3
1500 603 7.44
1000 748 6.38
750 831 5.76

FREE RUN TEST 5568 RPM @187 AMPS, lol


Does any of this make sense to you?

I just emailed them to ask about the 4kW 3kW difference, the fact that they say 'STARTER-NIPPONDENSO' on their ad but then the sheet says 'Denso-style' and about the sound. On their actual website this starter has 'not for powerstroke' but it says for powerstroke in the ebay ad. Hmmm.

 

[MarvinVR]

They answered my email with 'Weve never had a problem, sorry if you are' but didnt address any of my questions.

 

[haul_n_horses2]

Call them and talk to them directly.

 

[Zedicus]

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Hm, what about this starter?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...504890&rd=1,1

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That one is the VISTION version. It's a 3.6kw OSGR. I think it only came in the 01-02 PSD. not a real good design. You would be better off with the Denso version.

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ok how about this one? Looks a lot like the Denso Copy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-gear-...sspagenameZWDVW

 

[MarvinVR]

Thats the same thing the other place just sold me. Im pretty unhappy at this time. IMHO their ad is misleading. It says 'STARTER-NIPPONDENSO and 4kW power. Mine came saying 'Nippon style' and 3kW pwer. I asked them many questions about their advertising, etc. and was finally just told they would refund some of my money but they wouldnt answer my questions except to say they dont do misleading advertising. He did say he was sorry that I got a 3kW instead of a 4kW but didnt know how it happened.

I wanted to tell him that it was because it is the way my life goes and it wouldnt have happened to any other human on the planet but decided not to.

 

[Zedicus]

what about this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...hlink:middle:us