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"Off road" diesel means fuel for farm tractors or construction equipment that is not operated on the highway. Turbo-charged John Deere and Caterpillar diesels require the same fuel as your PSD. So it will burn just fine and dandy in your PSD. But...
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...and what is the difference between regular diesel fuel and the off-road diesel besides the price...
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The off-road diesel has a red dye added to show that it has not been taxed for highway use. The price is lower only because the price does not include the state and federal road taxes. Otherwise, the red and the not-red diesel are usually identical.
In some areas you can also buy high-sulphur diesel. That too has red dye, but the EPA red is a different color of red than the IRS red.
But whether the red color means high sulphur or untaxed fuel - or both - you cannot legally burn it in any vehicle that is licensed for highway use. Huge fine if you get caught with traces of red dye in your fuel system. Last I heard it was a $10,000 federal fine, plus a lot more from the state and local governments. If you live in California, Colorado, or Texas, don't even think about pouring red diesel into your pickup.
Can you run it in a 7.3l, ...
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"Off road" diesel means fuel for farm tractors or construction equipment that is not operated on the highway. Turbo-charged John Deere and Caterpillar diesels require the same fuel as your PSD. So it will burn just fine and dandy in your PSD. But...
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...and what is the difference between regular diesel fuel and the off-road diesel besides the price...
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The off-road diesel has a red dye added to show that it has not been taxed for highway use. The price is lower only because the price does not include the state and federal road taxes. Otherwise, the red and the not-red diesel are usually identical.
In some areas you can also buy high-sulphur diesel. That too has red dye, but the EPA red is a different color of red than the IRS red.
But whether the red color means high sulphur or untaxed fuel - or both - you cannot legally burn it in any vehicle that is licensed for highway use. Huge fine if you get caught with traces of red dye in your fuel system. Last I heard it was a $10,000 federal fine, plus a lot more from the state and local governments. If you live in California, Colorado, or Texas, don't even think about pouring red diesel into your pickup.
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its only $1000 for the first offense from good ole uncle sam if you get caught and yes I am speaking from experience
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D.O.T. Truck enforcement checkpoint, they know what they are doin too cause they didnt even dip me they went straight to the filter drain I was like damn you guys are pretty smart
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I've been running a diesel since 1997 and no one has ever asked to check my fuel. How does one get "caught" with this forbidden nector?
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The DOT or Highway Patrol will setup an inspection point witha sign that says "All diesel vehicles must stop".
I get checked on a regular basis here in western Arizona and Nevada.
$1000 minimum fine on first offense and an appointment with IRS auditor. (no fun)
I've been running a diesel since 1997 and no one has ever asked to check my fuel. How does one get "caught" with this forbidden nector?
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The DOT or Highway Patrol will setup an inspection point witha sign that says "All diesel vehicles must stop".
I get checked on a regular basis here in western Arizona and Nevada.
$1000 minimum fine on first offense and an appointment with IRS auditor. (no fun)
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I've been running a diesel since 1997 and no one has ever asked to check my fuel. How does one get "caught" with this forbidden nector?
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The DOT or Highway Patrol will setup an inspection point witha sign that says "All diesel vehicles must stop".
I get checked on a regular basis here in western Arizona and Nevada.
$1000 minimum fine on first offense and an appointment with IRS auditor. (no fun)
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man you hit the nail right on the head! the big ?? is did you learn anything........I wont comment if I did
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I've been running a diesel since 1997 and no one has ever asked to check my fuel. How does one get "caught" with this forbidden nector?
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The DOT or Highway Patrol will setup an inspection point witha sign that says "All diesel vehicles must stop".
I get checked on a regular basis here in western Arizona and Nevada.
$1000 minimum fine on first offense and an appointment with IRS auditor. (no fun)
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man you hit the nail right on the head! the big ?? is did you learn anything........I wont comment if I did
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Last I heard it was a $10,000 federal fine, plus a lot more from the state and local governments.
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According to IRS Publication 510, the initial penalty for using dyed fuel inappropriately is "...the greater of $1,000 or $10 per gallon of the dyed diesel fuel or dyed kerosene involved." The IRS document goes on to say, "After the first violation, the $1,000 portion of the penalty increases depending on the number of violations." and "This penalty is in addition to any tax imposed on the fuel." Another IRS document says the penalty for additional violations "...is determined by multiplying $1,000 times the number of prior penalties...".
I found a Web page on the Texas Comptroller's site that says the following. [ QUOTE ]
Using dyed diesel on the highway is a Class C misdemeanor with an up to $500 fine. The violation also carries civil penalties. Each gallon of the untaxed fuel is multiplied by the 20 cents of motor fuels tax that is due, and a civil penalty from $25 to $200 can be assessed.
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The penalty can rise to $10,000, but not the first time someone gets caught.
Bob
Last I heard it was a $10,000 federal fine, plus a lot more from the state and local governments.
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According to IRS Publication 510, the initial penalty for using dyed fuel inappropriately is "...the greater of $1,000 or $10 per gallon of the dyed diesel fuel or dyed kerosene involved." The IRS document goes on to say, "After the first violation, the $1,000 portion of the penalty increases depending on the number of violations." and "This penalty is in addition to any tax imposed on the fuel." Another IRS document says the penalty for additional violations "...is determined by multiplying $1,000 times the number of prior penalties...".
I found a Web page on the Texas Comptroller's site that says the following. [ QUOTE ]
Using dyed diesel on the highway is a Class C misdemeanor with an up to $500 fine. The violation also carries civil penalties. Each gallon of the untaxed fuel is multiplied by the 20 cents of motor fuels tax that is due, and a civil penalty from $25 to $200 can be assessed.
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The penalty can rise to $10,000, but not the first time someone gets caught.
Bob
I'm thinking they saw you fill up or someone turned you in for filling up.
I've seen the pumps that are not taxed in some areas (Parker, AZ). It's tempting to just save the money and put in the red stuff, but....you're like a sitting duck to any LEO that might come by.
I've never done it. This way I can curse when I see poorly maintained roads.
I've seen the pumps that are not taxed in some areas (Parker, AZ). It's tempting to just save the money and put in the red stuff, but....you're like a sitting duck to any LEO that might come by.
I've never done it. This way I can curse when I see poorly maintained roads.
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around here everyone has there own tanks (farming) and the tanker comes and fills up your storage tank(s). I could easily fill up without anyone knowing. We dont have check points and I have never seen the DOT guys ever stop a regular vehicle. I ran dyed fuel most of last year, but there was a shortage in this area due to the hurricanes and they lifted the restrictions. I almost never use the dyed fuel from my storage tank (maybe a little if Im getting low until I get to the pump) because there is nothing worse than wanting to use the tractor or backhoe for something and the tank is empty and you have to wait till Monday for the truck to come fill it back up.
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if you use dyed fuel on the highway, you loose all rights to complain about the quality of the highways you drive on. the taxes help pay for highway repair.
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well I dont think they are using it to fix the roads up here cause they suck!
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