[Ronyd]

Does anyone know how Ford is doing with the V-6 development for the smaller vehicle line F-150 or Expedition?.

Also would there be a diesel in the future for GMC Yukon or Yukon/Denali??


Thanks,

Ron David
Thunder Bay, Ontario
90 F-250 S/C 7.3L (560,000km)

 

[Sparkydm]

The last I heard, don't expect V6 in the Expedition, E150, and
F150 until the '07 model year. It probably won't be until after
the launch. I'm waiting for the V6 in their E150 van. We haul
4 kids all over the country for soccer and would love a good
higher mileage van. We'll have to wait and see though. Hopefully,
they'll do it right and not try to rape their customers for the
diesel option. They charge for their diesels like you also get to
keep the gas engine. It's quite ridiculous what the US manufacturers
have been charging customers for the diesel option. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[BigDaddyT]

Emissions are really tough for these size vehicles. Its preventing us from having more choices.

 

[Sparkydm]

I'm convinced that there are people in our government that don't
want diesels out there. If our usage level hit that of the
EU what would it do to our reliance on Middle East oil?
Diesel is so much cheaper than gas in other countries that's why
I don't buy the "market" BS that I read about. This is being
orchestrated but, I don't know why. None of it makes any sense.
We have the technology to do what's necessary with existing fuels.
If it's being done to "justify" a lot of these exotic fuels so they
can just make more money, how much is enough? It has me baffled, I
just know that the truth isn't in the major press about it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

 

[BigDaddyT]

Sparky. The energy dept said 30% diesel saturation would relieve us of our oil dependency.

96% of freight is moved at one point by a diesel. If they dont lay off the diesels things are gonna suck.

 

[Sparkydm]

I remember Ford putting out a notice 5-10 years ago that they
expected 40% of their vehicles to be diesel. It had a date as to
when that was to happen but, I don't remember it. I've been wondering
over the years, what happened to that policy? Our EPA handles diesel
emissions differently here than the EU does. They understand that
diesels are different and deals with them accordingly. One part of
our government wants to "End import dependence." and another puts
up road blocks to diesel technology as fast as they can dream them
up. It does make you wonder at times. Then the oil companies/distributors are raping their diesel customers as fast as they can. They don't want people using more diesels because it might cut into their total sales. I don't buy the market pressure since many other countries have large diesel fleets without this artificially high price on the fuel. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

 

[hdmax]

That went away like so many other so called promises. Like a minimum of 3 lanes each way on every interstate highway by 2006 or 07, That ain't happening!

 

[POS]

The redesigned Suburban due out later this year was tweaked to fit the Duramax - 2500 or 1500? They haven't said yet.

 

[Sparkydm]

Ford had a massive lead in this market and then sat on their
backside. Where do they find people like
this? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

 

[LibertyCRD]

Well with gasoline now over $2.00/gallon to stay, automakers are scrambling to develop more efficient pickups and SUVs. Ford and GM are both announcing that they will go the "hybrid technology" route. DaimlerChrysler, on the other hand, came right out and said hybrid technology is too expensive and isn't feasible at this point. So they are going the diesel technology route instead. I bought one of the first Jeep SUVs with the turbo-diesel, and I am loving it so far. Towing/hauling almost 5,000 lbs. I'm getting 20 miles per gallon. Running around empty I'm closer to 23 miles per gallon average in town. This thing is efficient, tows like a dream, and has plenty of driving power. I really love it. There is no way I'd trade it for a gasser or hybrid. I think Ford and GM are making a mistake by not going the diesel route. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[BigDaddyT]

In a country of greenies it might make sense to please them. Mostly cause they dont know any better. Diesels need to get some pr people down to washington. They need to start really selling them on tv. Tv = programming the masses.

 

[PSD PAC]

The US consumer is the one losing out too - I'd LOVE to get my hands on an Audi A6 diesel, or even a Touareg diesel (those things are unreal from what I've read), but no can do...EPA says no. And I'm growing tired enough of the lag time on the F150/Explorer diesel that I'm seriously considering buying a Liberty, and I never wanted to buy another Chrysler product again.

I find it hard to believe that the EPA restrictions on diesels are more extreme than those of Germany, a country that has a Green Party as part of their government - and has a ton more diesel vehicles than we do per capita. Really makes you wonder what the underlying issues are, doesn't it? Whatever they are, theyr'e not being widely publicized, and we're all losing out for it.

 

[Sparkydm]

How would it change the political climate for the tree huggers
and others if we didn't need to import oil from the middle east?
It does make one wonder why people opposed to oil consumption would
also be opposed to reducing our usage of it? It's an interesting
mental process to think that one over. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif

 

[roofeditor]

[ QUOTE ]
The redesigned Suburban due out later this year was tweaked to fit the Duramax - 2500 or 1500? They haven't said yet.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm pretty sure the Duramax will fit the Suburban but the Allison won't.

 

[Pat Dolan]

Richard:

The 2500/3500 Vans are going to get the D-Max, de-rated to work with a 480LE, I think. No reason that couldn't be done in the Submarine (man, what a NICE vehicle that would make).

Pat

 

[roofeditor]

I know there are a few test suburban Duramax with the 480LE. I think they are downgraded to 250 HP and lesser more suited torque. I can't remember where I saw this but I'm pretty sure I did read it. Same for the Hummer-2. On topic but slightly off subject, Ford had the opportunity to bring on a F-150/Expedition with the V-6 version of the 6.0 and wimped out because of certification problems with Cal, NY, Maine, Mass, like they rule the entire country. In the mean time VW and DC/Benz came out with very nice diesel cars that are selling fine in the remainder of the states.

Political but also technical statement: the federal government needs so standardize fuel and emissions. 15 different gas blends depending on the state and/or city is retarded. I'm a supporter of "states rights" but there are some "federal rights" that should supersede for the good of all. IE: Suppose California wanted to pass a law that you could have 22 wives if you can afford them, and you then move to say Florida......are you still married to 22 wives? One fuel standard and one emission standard. Presently as is this is a cluster----F---.

 

[biggmc]

just to let you all know, I posted a reply to this thread, which for some reason was removed. I guess the government here on this forum doesn't want you to hear certain things too. I can't imagine what was wrong with it, as it just stated an opinion about our dependence on foriegn oil.

 

[jogiba]

[ QUOTE ]
Ford had a massive lead in this market and then sat on their
backside. Where do they find people like
this? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
The Excursion has been the biggest selling 3/4 ton SUV and only full size SUV with diesel since it came out in late 1999 and Ford decided we don't need it anymore. So they kiss Toyota's butt to come out with the Escape Hybrid , what a joke. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

 

[BigDaddyT]

The problem is fellas. Diesels have a bad image in the US. Us guys who are fanatical about diesels just dont understand. Nothing makes more sense than a diesel hybrid. But diesels cost more initially and a lot of people cant see past that.

I remember having a discussion with some young guys(just about drinking age). Not quite diesel vs gas but I think represents the mantality of the masses. They asked why I didnt get the v10. I responded do you think I would pay 5000 dollars more for an engine that wasnt better.

Very few people appreciate diesel power. The problem is it is integral to this country to move freight. Those same freight movers are the ones that are smoking and attracting greenie hate. If they improve otr truck emissions a lot of our problems will hopefully go away. I for one am not against firing off letters. If we can unite against this tyrany perhaps we can get the attention we need. We need an approach more like europe. They did it cause they had to. We need to do it cause it makes sense in the big picture. Long live diesel power.

 

[Sparkydm]

The sick part is that it doesn't cost the US companies near that
amount to replace the gasser with a diesel. If this country was
half serious about foreign oil dependence, it could be gotten rid of
very quickly. They could do this with current technology. The price
of diesel is way higher than it should be. Most other countries it's
way lower than gas. It's also a lot of the same companies. Why is
that? I'll stay off the soap box but, there's absolutely no
justification for it at all. Why would any sane person want to drive
around with compressed hydrogen sitting next to them? Not with
my family, maybe yours though. They always tell you it's "safe". I'll
take a tank full of diesel over any other readily avaialable fuel
they currently have. I value my family and friends even if the
government doesn't. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif