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I found an axle! :thumbsup:

As soon as I get my bum back to the States I'll be starting my axle swap project. I just secured a Dana 80 w/4.30 gears out of a 2000 F-350 with only 130k miles. Got it dirt cheap so I couldn't pass up this opportunity. I've already got the fenders so all I need now are the wheels and tires.

Only question: My truck has 3.73 gears. You reckon there would be any problem running it as is provided I remain out of 4WD? I can't think of any reason why it would screw anything up.
 

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Just remember no matter what you do to a F250 it is still a F250 as far as towing capacity is concerned. This is in the eyes of your insurance company and law enforcement in case of an accident while towing.

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Only question: My truck has 3.73 gears. You reckon there would be any problem running it as is provided I remain out of 4WD? I can't think of any reason why it would screw anything up.
You could do some figuring with a fancy calculator and come up with a smaller diameter tire for the front that would get them sync'd up.:D

But for real now you are gonna need to regear the front axle.

(Add $500 or more to your dirt cheap axle)
 

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Just remember no matter what you do to a F250 it is still a F250 as far as towing capacity is concerned.
I have a hard time believing this. Take the opposite for example; suppose I removed a dual axle and converted to single. There is no insurance company in the world which would continue to view it as a dual wheel truck and the same goes for law enforcement. I'm sure there is a method available to change the ratings but it is likely complicated and/or expensive. Regardless, I'm not all that worried about it.

But for real now you are gonna need to regear the front axle. (Add $500 or more to your dirt cheap axle
Gears are simple and relatively cheap at $250-300 a pop.

One more question now that I'm thinking of it: Everyone seems to talk about some sort of a spacer on the front axle. Huh? Spacer? Where can I find this?
 

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The adapters bolt onto the hub and rotors and allow you to run the dual style wheels, not sure what wheels an 07 dually came with but I think they are 17's so not sure what sorta truck you are gonna end up with when you finish. I maybe wrong but isn't the bolt pattern different as well? If you are going to go 2000 model running gear you might have to change the front hub bearings, brakes, rotors, calipers and caliper brackets to run the same wheels all around.

Just not sure how much you have complicated the swap by not getting the proper era rear axle.... I think you might end up with a Frankenstein truck.
 

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One more question now that I'm thinking of it: Everyone seems to talk about some sort of a spacer on the front axle. Huh? Spacer? Where can I find this?
There are several ways to skin a cat. One way is to use the DRW wheels on the rear, but keep the SRW wheels on the front. With the stock front wheels, you won't need any spacers. The spacer is to make the dually wheel fit right on the front hubs. But realize that if you use SRW front wheels, your front and rear wheels will not be interchangable. But that's no big deal. Corvettes have had different size front and rear wheels for years.

Stock Y2K dually rear wheels are 16x6", with LT235/85R16 tires that have 655 tire revs/mile. So to make the ABS not throw a coniption fit, you must have front tires that also have very close to 655 revs/mile.

Your '07 F-250 could have three different wheels from the factory. If you have 17" wheels, then LT265-70R17 tires have 660 revs/mile. That might be close enough to keep the ABS happy. But better is 18" wheels with LT275-65R18 tires that have 652 revs/mile. If you have Ford 20" wheels, then you'll need to buy new 18" wheels for the front, because I don't think anybody makes a 20" tire with close to 655 revs/mile.

Another combo of tires would be LT255/85R16 on the back (625 revs/mile) and LT275/70R18 on the front (627 revs/mile). You probably already have the LT275/70R18 tires on the front, so you'd just need to buy rear tires in size LT255/85R16. Not many folks make those, but some do: BFGoodrich MudTerrain, Cooper Discoverer SST, Dunlop Radial Rover RVXT, and Toyo makes one but I don't remember the tread pattern.

Because the '99-'04 dually rear wheels are only 6" wide, don't even think of mounting tires bigger than LT255/85R16 on the rear axle. The tire specs say those tires need 6.5" wide wheels, but lots of members of TheDieselStop have run the 255s with no problems. But any bigger tire would require 7" or wider wheels, so don't go there.

You can probably find Ford "take off" wheels at any big wheel retailer. Or you can get them on E-Bay. But caution: if the wheels are not Ford stock wheels, then they will probably be lug centric instead of hub centric reuired for your hubs. The only hub-centric aftermarket wheels I know about are Weld Racing and Alcoa, along with a new guy Ultra Wheel. But Weld and Alcoa no longer make the 16" wheels for our trucks, so pay attention. The center bore must be 4.93" exactly to fit snuggly on the hub. If the center bore is more than that, then you are playing with fire.

The '99-'04 model year wheels will fit your '00 axle. '05-up model year wheels will fit your '07.

There is a big difference in SRW and DRW rear spring packs. 2007 SRW spring packs are rated 7,000 pounds @ground. Y2K DRW spring packs are rated 8,250 pounds @ground. 2007 DRW rear spring packs are rated 9,000 pounds @ground. Did you get the spring packs with the axle? If not, then you'll still have an SRW weight capacity until you replace the rear spring packs.

The whole point of the swap is to increase my towing capacity (tongue weight). I think I'll stick with dualies.
Perhaps you don't know much about super singles?

They make super single tires and wheels that have as much weight capacity as duals. Have you ever looked closely at a concrete mixer/delivery truck? Most have super single tires.

The stock LT235/85R16 tires on that '00 dually rear axle were rated for 2,778 max load per tire, or 5,556 pounds on two duals. So all you have to do is find a tire with about 5,556 pounds weight capacity to match the weight capacity of the stock tires. But you don't need nearly that much tire capacity if you don't severely overload your rig. Shoot for a minimum of 4,000 pounds weight capacity per rear tire, and that's about 13,000 pounds of total weight on the truck. The GVWR of the 2000 dually was 11,200, so 13k means you'd be overloaded.

A good fit for your rig if you want losts of extra weight capacity would be Michelin XZE2+ tires in size 265/70R19.5. 5,510 weight capacity, and your 4.30 rear end would feel like a 3.98. Requires only 7.5" wide rims, so that's more reasonable than for the bigger tires. 5,510 weight capacity is over 11,000 pounds on the rear axle, so that's a lot more weight capacity that you'll ever need. If you put 10,000 pounds on your rear axle you'll be grossing several thousand pounds more than the GVWR of a 2000 dually. That's what I call severely overloaded.

In other words, that 265/70R19.5 tire is all you need to replace the two tires on each end of your axle.

But if it were mine, I'd probably go with Michelin XRV 245/70R19.5 tires on custom 6.75" wide rims. 4,080 pounds weight capacity per tire, so more than the 4,000 needed. The 4.30 rear end would feel like a 4.10, which is fine for any trailer that won't exceed the GCWR of the truck. Michelin Americas Truck Tires XRV® Page

That's just two examples of a super single tire. Almost any "big truck" tire will have a weight capacity more than 4,000 pounds when mounted on a single rim.So go with the smallest adequate super single rear tire with new custom rims, and you probably won't need dually rear fenders.

That 245/70R19.5 tire has 625 tire revs/mile. Several regular 16", 17" and 18" LT tires have about 625 revs/mile, so you won't have to put those expensive truck tires on the front axle unless you want to.
 

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Doh!

But realize that if you use SRW front wheels, your front and rear wheels will not be interchangable.

The '99-'04 model year wheels will fit your '00 axle. '05-up model year wheels will fit your '07.
:eek2: Uh oh...

Apparently my "thorough" research was not as thorough as I had thought. I was under the assumption that the '99-'07 models all used the same axle. Poop.

Anyone want to buy a 2000 Dana 80?

I got the entire assembly to include springs, brakes, lines, etc. You reckon it would be easier to dump it and get a new setup or mess with the front hubs? I really would rather not have eighteen different sized tires on this puppy.

Are the '05-'07 all created equal then? Where is everyone coming up with this information??

Perhaps you don't know much about super singles?
My knowledge comes from my limited experience driving and my dad who still drives semi-trucks. From my understanding, super singles are normally used for weight savings and wear out a bit faster than duals. Not a huge deal, but in the instance proposed by HeavyAssault, it was a visual upgrade more so than a utility upgrade.
 

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Apparently my "thorough" research was not as thorough as I had thought. I was under the assumption that the '99-'07 models all used the same axle.
Same name for the DRW rear axle, Dana 80, but quite different hubs and wheels. The Y2K has 16x6 wheels with 5.35" offset and 8 on 170mm bolt circle. The '07 DRW has 17x6.5 wheels with 5.55" offset and 8 on 200mm bolt circle.

The front axle in both 4x4s is a Dana 60 axle, but they are not very close to being the same axle. The Y2K has different hubs than the 2007. In the SRW 4x4s, 0.25" offset for the Y2K version vs. 1.57" offset for your 2007. Plus your SRW hubs are 8 on 170mm vs DRW hubs with 8 on 200 mm bolt circle.

I don't know much about changing hubs, but I suspect you could put 2007 hubs on your 2000 rear axle. But you'd still have this difference in bolt circle, and maybe in offset.

So yeah, the simple solution is to buy a rear Dana 80 for a 2005-up F-350 DRW. But you'd still need different wheels for the front than for the rear unless you changed the SRW front hubs to DRW front hubs.
 

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Well I'm a moron.

Looks like I'm still in the market for an axle. Thanks for all of the help guys.

SmokeyWren, where do you get your information? I'd like to prevent these sort of problems in the future but I can't seem to find any sufficient sources of information.

Where is it and how much?
It'll be in Clarksville, TN shortly and is $800 OBO.
 

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SmokeyWren, where do you get your information?
Ford specs.

In my case, my hobby for the last 9 years has been helping folks on TheDieselStop and the predecessor Ford-Diesel.com websites. And my memory is awful, so I need a hard copy of the Ford specs in order to be able to answer questions from members like you.

My itty bitty small-town Ford dealer in Stanton gives me one copy of the Ford Truck Source Book each year after the next year's edition is received. He gets two copies, but doesn't need more than one after the current model year is over. So I've talked him out of his "extra" copy for each model year since the '97 model year. The Source Book includes lots of detail specs for things like tires, wheels, axles, steering, transmissions, transfer cases, springs, clutch, etc. One section covers F-250 through F-550 SuperDuty trucks, both pickups and chassis cabs.

The Source Book is used primarily by the new truck sales manager to answer customer questions about truck specs. But I'm sure most dealers would let you spend some time with one of his copies for each year you're interested in, if you asked nicely. ;)

The Source Book is available online, but only behind pass-word protected websites. And dealers aren't allowed to give out the passwords. But other info is available online. One source is the Ford Body Builder's Layout Book (BBLB). It wasn't password protected the last time I tried:
http://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/bodybuild.html

Dig around in there and you'll find the tire and wheel specs for 2000 model year on page 58 at
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/2000/BBFSD00A.PDF

and for 2006 on page 32 at
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/2006/vs_pdf/fseriessd-ms_06.pdf

Check tire and wheel specs for all the recent years and you'll learn that '99-'04 are the same, and '05-up are the same, but '99-'04 is different than '05-up.

There's also info on dimensions and measurements in there somewhere, which you can use to compare DRW to SRW rear tracks.

Another source of info is the current Order Guides for each model of truck. You can download those from Bobby William's website at Sunrise Ford Fleet, 16005 Valley Blvd, Fontana, Ca, 92335 - Bobby is a sponsor of TheDieselStop and makes those downloads available to the rest of us. Thanx, Bobby.
 

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Wow. That site rocks! Even without a password there is plenty of good information if you just dig far enough. Thanks for that link!

So here's what I discovered, tell me if my theory is unsound.

- My '07 F250 has 17"x7.5" J-type wheels which have a 170mm bolt circle.

- The '07 F350 DRW also has the J-type wheels but are 17" x 6.5" with a 200mm bolt circle. So even if I had gotten an '07 axle, my front wheels would not come even close to the rear wheels.

- The '00 F350 DRW, on the other hand, has 16" x 6.0" K-type wheels. These have the same bolt circle as my F250 (170mm). So theoretically, I should be able to buy the wheels off of a 2000 F350 DRW and swap directly to my truck. Granted, the speedo will be inaccurate but that's an easy fix.

Anyone see a flaw in my theory?
 
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