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I thought I would start a new Thread with a list of Ford 6.7L Extended PIDs for the Torque Pro App that I think are working good enough to be useful to some but maybe not all. If anyone has any PIDs that they would like to add to the list, please post on this thread and I will try to keep the list up to date on the first post of this thread. I’m also still testing about 30 PIDs. If you find any errors please let me know and I’ll edit in the corrections.



Torque Pro 2013 Ford 6.7L Extended PIDS
Updated. July 07, 2014

Ambient Air Temperature in °C (Truck External Sensor) –
PID – 22F446 – Done Testing –
Long Name (used in menus) – Ambient Air Temperature C 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Air Temp
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – (NOTE: Leave blank, I have my units set to “F” so this will show “C”)
Equation – A-40
OBD Header –

Ambient Air Temperature in °F (Truck External Sensor) –
PID – 22F446 – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Ambient Air Temperature 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Air Temp
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – °F
Equation – A*(9/5)-40
OBD Header – 7E0

Accelerator Pedal Position “E” –
PID – 4a – Done Testing – Custom PID
Long Name (used in menus) – Accelerator Pedal Position E 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – APP E 6.7L
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – %
Equation – (A-20)*1.22
OBD Header – 7E0

Barometric Pressure (from Torque App) –
PID – 33 – Done Testing – Torque App PID
Long Name (used in menus) – Barometric Pressure (from Vehicle from Torque App)
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Baro
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – psi
Equation –
OBD Header –

Boost (Turbo) – Boost –
PID – 0187 – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Boost 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Boost
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 40.0
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – psi
Equation – ((((B*256)+C)*0.00393)+2.25)-Baro()
OBD Header – 7E0

DPF Regeneration Status –
PID – 22F48B – Done Testing.
Long Name (used in menus) – DPF Regen Status 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Regen
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100.0
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – ON/OFF
Equation – {B:0}
OBD Header – 7E0

DPF Distance Since Last Complete Regen –
PID – 220434 – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Distance Since Last Complete Regeneration 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – DIA
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – Miles
Equation – ((A < 16)+(B < 8)+C)*0.24
OBD Header – 7E0
Comment : No spaces in equation, only way it would let me post it was with spaces??

DPF Pressure –
PID – 22116C – Still Testing –
Long Name (used in menus) – Diesel Particulate Filter 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – DPFP
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – psi
Equation –
OBD Header – 7E0

DPF Soot Mass % –
PID – 22042C – Done Testing – From other member
Long Name (used in menus) – DPF Soot Mass % 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Soot %
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – %
Equation – ((((A*256)+B)*(100/65535))-1)/1.75*100
OBD Header – 7E0

DPF Soot Mass –
PID – 22042C – Done Testing – Data Value (1.7 = 100% Soot?
Long Name (used in menus) – DPF Soot Mass 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Soot
Min Value – 1.0
Max Value – 3.0
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – Grams/Liter
Equation – ((A*256)+B)*(100/65535)-1
OBD Header – 7E0

EGT Post Turbo – EGT 11 –
PID – 22F478 – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Post Turbo EGT 11 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – EGT 11
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – °F
Equation – (((B*256)+C)*0.18)-40.0
OBD Header – 7E0

EGT Post SCR/Pre DPF – EGT 12 –
PID – 22F478 – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Post SCR/Pre DPF – EGT 12 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – EGT 12
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – °F
Equation – (((D*256)+E)*0.18)-40.0
OBD Header – 7E0

EGT Pre DPF – EGT 13 –
PID – 22F478 – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Pre DPF – EGT 13 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – EGT 13
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – °F
Equation – (((F*256)+G)*0.18)-40.0
OBD Header – 7E0

EGT Post DPF – EGT 14 –
PID – 22F478 – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Post DPF – EGT 14 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – EGT 14
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – °F
Equation – (((H*256)+I)*0.18)-40.0
OBD Header – 7E0

Exhaust Back Pressure – EBP –
PID – 0173 – Still Testing – 221445? –
Long Name (used in menus) – Exhaust Back Pressure Sensor 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – EBP
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value –
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – psi
Equation – ((B*256)+C)*0.03625
OBD Header – 7E0

Engine Coolant Temperature 1 –
PID – 0105 – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Engine Coolant Temperature ECT 1 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – ECT 1
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – °F
Equation – (A*(9/5))-40
OBD Header –

Engine Oil Temperature – EOT –
PID – 22f45c – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Engine Oil Temperature Sensor 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – EOT
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 400
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – °F
Equation – A*(9/5)-40
OBD Header – 7E0

Engine RPM – RPM –
PID – 0c – Torque – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Engine RPM (Torque) 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – RPM
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – RPM
Equation – ((A*256)+B)/4
OBD Header – 7E0

Fuel Tank Level –
PID – 22f42f – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Fuel Tank Level 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Fuel Level
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – %
Equation – A*0.39216
OBD Header – 7E0

Fuel Rate KPL Average –
PID – E5 – to make – Custom PID
Long Name (used in menus) – Fuel Rate KPL (Average)
Short Name (used in gauge display) –
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – L/h
Equation – ((A*256)+B)*0.05
OBD Header – 7E0

Intake Air Temperature – IAT –
PID – 0f – Testing –
Long Name (used in menus) – Intake Air Temperature Sensor 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – IAT
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – °C
Equation – A-40
OBD Header – 7E0

Manifold Abs Pressure – MAP –
PID – 0187 – Testing –
Long Name (used in menus) – Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – MAP
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – psi
Equation – ((A*256)+C)*0.03625
OBD Header – 7E0

Speed Vehicle MPH (PCM)–
PID – 0D – Testing – Custom PID
Long Name (used in menus) – Speed 6.7L (PCM)
Short Name (used in gauge display) – MPH
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100.0
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – MPH
Equation – A*62137
OBD Header –

Speed Vehicle KPH (PCM)–
PID – 0D – Done Testing –
Long Name (used in menus) – Speed 6.7L (KPH)
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Km/h
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100.0
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – Leave Blank to display Km/h
Equation – A
OBD Header –

Transmission Fluid Temp – TFT –
PID – 221e1c – Done Testing
Long Name (used in menus) – Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – TFT
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 100.0
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – °F
Equation – ((SIGNED(A)*256)+B)*(9/80)+32
OBD Header –

Vehicle Pitch –
PID – From Phone –
Long Name (used in menus) –
Short Name (used in gauge display) –
Min Value –
Max Value –
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type –
Equation –
OBD Header –

Vehicle Roll
PID – From Phone
Long Name (used in menus) –
Short Name (used in gauge display) –
Min Value –
Max Value –
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type –
Equation –
OBD Header –

Voltage (Control Module)
PID – [42] – Testing – Make Custom
Long Name (used in menus) – Voltage (PCM) 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Volts (PCM) (Volts CM)
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 50.0
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – Volts
Equation – ((A*256)+B)/1000
OBD Header – 7E0

Voltage (OBD) –
PID – ff1238 – Testing – make custom
Long Name (used in menus) – Voltage (OBD) 6.7L
Short Name (used in gauge display) – Volts OBD (Volts AD)
Min Value – 0.0
Max Value – 50.0
Scale Factor – x1
Unit Type – Volts
Equation –
OBD Header –
 
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Does anyone know the difference between DPF Soot % and Soot Gram/Liter?

After an active regen my soot % was at 29% and G/L was at 0.5.

Over the course of 100 miles my soot % went up to 100% and G/L to 1.7.

The truck entered another active regen but this time my % dropped to 17.1% and G/L 0.3.

I have read that an active regen doesn't start until the G/L reaches 2.6ish.

So what is the difference between % and G/L?
 

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Does anyone know the difference between DPF Soot % and Soot Gram/Liter?

After an active regen my soot % was at 29% and G/L was at 0.5.

Over the course of 100 miles my soot % went up to 100% and G/L to 1.7.

The truck entered another active regen but this time my % dropped to 17.1% and G/L 0.3.

I have read that an active regen doesn't start until the G/L reaches 2.6ish.

So what is the difference between % and G/L?
Thanks for the response:
Both PIDs use the same output value from the PCM it is just a mater of preference and the different equation used. Some folks prefer % and others ask me for a value that other monitors display so that they are not talking apples and oranges. So 1.7 = 100%.

I’m not and expert and most of the things I posted came out of my old head. I believe that the PCM has to recalibrate (reset, zero or base line) the output value because of the residual ash that build up over time would make the display value useless. Some equations might not be as accurate as I would like, but they are relative I think to be useful.

I don’t have control over the programming of the PCM or Torque so the choice of Grams/L was what others were using (Engineers love that).

I’m still learning and what I see so far is that when the display reaches 100% or 1.7 the truck will go into Active Regen and depending on if you continue to drive and the EGTs are over 600 degrees the truck should continue with a Passive Regen. This is where the value will drop even below 0 G/L but the % display due to the programming won’t show a negative number. At some point in time shortly after the Regen, the PCM recalibrates the value and you will notice that it will be a number above zero. With my truck the regen starts at 1.7 and stops at .3


FYI:
The 2.6 was one of my old equations and I re-aligned apples and oranges to match other folks display to make it less confusing. Example 2.7-1 = 1.7.

Hope this helps. I'm doing this for self interest and self taught. I know the learning curve for me was steep and I posted my list of Custom PIDs to help other get started. Also I'm hoping I can learn from the feed back by others.

More technical on the Torque Pro App Developer's forum about the APP and the best place for informtion about the 6.7L is from the owners.
 

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Awesome information. Thanks for clearing that up.

Todd
 

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So I'd like to use my iphone 4 and the Torque App. What is the best plug in OBD Bluetooth device to use?


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Smokewagun: A far as I know torque only works on an Android Operating System. I don’t know the developer but he was trying to get certified by apple so it would work on an Iphone but I haven’t heard of it happening. I know that there are Apps that work on an Iphone and use a WIFI OBD2 adapter. But never have seen or used one.

If you find an Apple APP, make sure that you can add Manufacturer Specific or make Custom PIDs. I think that this is why Torque Pro is one of the best sellers (and it is $5).
 

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If you find an Apple APP, make sure that you can add Manufacturer Specific or make Custom PIDs. I think that this is why Torque Pro is one of the best sellers (and it is $5).[/QUOTE]

I have used DashCommand for iPhone. You can supposedly create custom PID's through their skin app (ScanXL, which modifies the look of the gauges). I have not tried it personally...but intend to soon.
 

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I noticed that you titled the post as "Torque Pro 2013 Ford 6.7L Extended PIDS."
Do they also pertain to the 2011 6.7L?
 

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Just my thoughts,

OBD-II standardization was prompted by emissions requirements, and though only emission-related codes and data are required to be transmitted through it, most manufacturers have made the OBD-II Data Link Connector the only one in the vehicle through which all systems are diagnosed and programmed.

Before buying an APP, do you want it for checking emission problems or to monitor sensors? Finding and making custom vehicle specific PIDs are not as easy as you might think. There is a reason the Apps cost $5 and other monitors cost hundreds. For what I know now, I would be sure that any App does what you want before buying it. Go to the App Developer's forum and make sure it will do what you want.

I posted the list of PIDs because I happen to have someone show me Torque Pro running on his vehicle and he let me try it on my 6.7L for the fact that he knew I wouldn't stop at the Standard OBD-II. I don't know the Developer or have any inside knowledge to Torque Pro. But after owning a 6.4L, I wanted to monitor my 6.7L and thought some folks would find it interesting or at least see some real results. Some PIDs I posted might not be accurate but relative and the reason I haven't posted more till I'm done testing.

I'm new to this and not an expert, I have more questions then answers, I'm just paying forward and hope others help me to help others.
 

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I noticed that you titled the post as "Torque Pro 2013 Ford 6.7L Extended PIDS."
Do they also pertain to the 2011 6.7L?
I have only tested on my 2013, so the title might be misleading but I wanted to state as a fact the test vehicle.

That said!!
I would only assume so. I do know even the 6.7L after January 2013 have different module and programing, but the PIDs I posted from the feed back I'm getting is that they work on all 6.7L 2011-2013. Good question and why I posted for others to try and why I haven't posted PIDS on this forum I haven't liked the test results and still working on.
 

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JFYI, all MPD56's PID posted, do work on a 2015 6.7 Platinum F350, tested by me.
Awesome app...

Hey MPD56, any chance you could whittle up a dpf fluid level PID...?
 

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JFYI, all MPD56's PID posted, do work on a 2015 6.7 Platinum F350, tested by me.
Awesome app...

Hey MPD56, any chance you could whittle up a dpf fluid level PID...?

Yep DEF levels are on my list.


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A member named sdetweil on another forum has just received a Plugin toolkit from the Developer (Ian) and he is making a Plugin for the 6.7L with my PIDS so that there won’t be anymore typing in one at a time. Most likely it will be posted at the Developer’s forum; I’ll let you know when it is available.
 

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JFYI, all MPD56's PID posted, do work on a 2015 6.7 Platinum F350, tested by me.
Awesome app...

Hey MPD56, any chance you could whittle up a dpf fluid level PID...?
Watch your soot% because using his formula and triple checked, I have seen 146.5% so I think the formula is different on the 15s.
 

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blwnsmoke:

How many miles on your truck? The PCM programming will go through a learning process when new. It has to set a baseline for ash residue..etc. It will also do this after some Active Regens

The problem with Torque Program stop working could be caused by an adapter setting or android device.

Allcool:
Are your Soot readings OK.
 

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blwnsmoke:

How many miles on your truck? The PCM programming will go through a learning process when new. It has to set a baseline for ash residue..etc. It will also do this after some Active Regens

The problem with Torque Program stop working could be caused by an adapter setting or android device.

Allcool:
Are your Soot readings OK.
They 2015 is different for a few of the equations - Soot level % goes to ~150% on mine also, and I have 8000 miles on it so it should be registering things by now.

The EOT ECT DIA EBP TFT and others don't work the same either.

Here is what I am using on the 2015 for Soot % ((((A*256)+B)*(100/65535))-1)*37

Soot Mass in Grams/Liter seems to work fine though ((A*256)+B)*(100/65535)-1 give me the 0 to 2.7 Grams/Liter, mine will usually start a regen right around 2.6

Good luck.
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Watch your soot% because using his formula and triple checked, I have seen 146.5% so I think the formula is different on the 15s.
blwnsmoke:

How many miles on your truck? The PCM programming will go through a learning process when new. It has to set a baseline for ash residue..etc. It will also do this after some Active Regens

The problem with Torque Program stop working could be caused by an adapter setting or android device.

Allcool:
Are your Soot readings OK.
Well, seems to work. How can one be sure of the exact numbers..? How are soot levels verified..?

My soot seemed to be around 90% before last time I turned off the engine. That was the highest I've seen it. Now today it started out at 17% and my DSLR says almost 400 miles since last regen. Have not recently noticed a regen on the on/off Regen gauge or the usual drop in mpg.

Not sure how the soot came back down from 90% to 17%...? Will a passive regen do that...? Not to sure about the exact meaning of all these DPF numbers/%, etc...?

I have started reading the 167 page pdf on the 6.7 OBD system operation, and its making more sense, but not there yet. One thing I'm 100% sure of, this is 1 complicated emissions system on these new diesels.



 
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