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03 F250 6.0 No start.

Ok guys I've been digging around on the forum and I haven't seen a posting similar to this problem. I recently replaced the high pressure oil pump and all the injector o-rings and gaskets. After I buttoned everything back up and went through all the cranking it started up and ran great.

After running great for a couple days it simply died and now will not crank. All the dash lights come on and there is plenty of battery power. I checked the relays/fuses and they are all good but the starter relay is not clicking when I turn the key to start. I moved the shifter from park to neutral and back while trying to crank.

The starter is good. I can jump the starter and it cranks. I have also tried to scan for codes but it seems that the ECM is either not getting power or just won't communicating with my scan tool..

I have run through most of the tips in the "no start" sticky and I'm coming up short.

Chaffing is my next step which I'm going to check on tomorrow. Hopefully someone has seen this issue before...???
 

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Check your fuze for the cigar lighter it is shared with the dlc connector also check the wirres at the connector a favorite place for people to grab power and ground for aftermarket radio's because it is so handy, their splices aren't usueally very good.

This is for the scanner not being able to communicate. There is also a 15amp and a 10amp fuze on the dash fuze box that can also cut communication with the start sequence, I can't for life of me remember which but they are on the inboad side of the fuze panel
 

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starts rough

seems i have a problem like this too. my truck starts rough or revs up then dies but then starts. then drive it but if i get it real hot from 200 to 220 deg. if i shut it down it want start back up but if i let it sit then cool off to 130 deg. it will start again. its done this three times now. i have a 2003 f250 with edge pro. programer and afe intake.
 

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You need to get a scangauge so you can monitor the ICP readings and the IPR duty cycle. Also, check the FICM voltage (KOEO, cranking, and 2000 rpm).
 

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I have a 2004 excursion 6L, It sounds like it is running on four cylinders. It has high voltage codes for cylinders 1-4-6-7 injectors. i replaced ficm and flashed and updated ecm. truck started but stills sound like it is running on four cylinders, It blows heavy white smoke out tail pipe. Replaced all four injectors and programmed injectors. runs exactly the same. inspected all harness areas, no chaffing. Lost
 

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C1388A (X1) Connector: Injector Control, Cyl. 1,4,6,7 (end plug)

All codes are from one FICM connector. You have a FICM or a cable issue IMO.

You say you replaced the FICM (would like to know what your solution was, ie rebuild, replace, new, used, etc), so you need to do some wiring checks on the specific cable I posted.
 

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I just recently had a situation with my father-in-laws 2003 6.0. We get in a try to start it up. It immediately sounds like weak batteries. We replaced them. Tried again and sounds like weak batteries. We changed starter and try again, now it spins a little faster, but no start. To make a long story short, We took the serpentine belt off and it starts right up. The air conditioner compressor bearing was locked up.
This just saved me allot of work. I had the same thing with my 2003 6.0 and was ready to drop the pan thinking it was a bearing going out. I too replaced the batteries and starter. I'm going to take the money it saved me and put it toward a 1 year membership. Thanks again
 

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2006 crewcab 112000 miles ok i'm driving about 70 mph take foot off pedal going to get off highway motor just stops put truck in "N" tried to start lots of cranking no restart, had it towed home looked in motor fuel filter clean no going to check fuses
 

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This is all great stuff and has helped me so much BUT im still having a problem with starting my 2006 F350 6.0. It died while driving and I replaced the branch tube with the updated one on the HPOP but still wont start, replaced oil,fuel and air filters still nothing. I went to my work and got my snap on scanner and did a scan for codes and all I got was low volts to injectors but no low oil faults. I ran the test to my ICP and its telling me I only have 609 kpa which I think is only lilke 80 psi? so well below 500 I need. what am I missing? Im reading about dummy plugs maybe or ? if anyone has any tips plz email me at [email protected] thanx so much.
 

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I have an 03 6.0 died and won't start.Pulled codes and changed the CMP and CKP at first and it would startbut rough until it died again. I have ended up changing fuel filters, injector seals, had FCIM checked/ repaired (48V) and finally a ford tech said it was the PCM then. I sent it off to have repairs then two months later finally got it and put it in, I also checked for wire chaffing and continutiy from point A to B. I have fuel pressure within, new batteries brought a scantool with enhanced ford software, ICP desired pressure at ft/hg max is 302,60, RPM cont. 150, CMP & CKP in sync at different times and not, pedal volts in specs, glow plugs on time. ICP actual .166 and duty cycle 84.77 still with no start. I'm unsure how to change the ICP PID from FT reading to PSI. Can someone help in telling me what all is wrong here? Thanks
 

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Not sure what your units for the 0.166 ICP reading are. If it is volts, it is too low. Also, the IPR% seems too high.

Your RPM is borderline.
Can you check to see if it will start with the belt off?
 

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You need to get a scangauge so you can monitor the ICP readings and the IPR duty cycle. Also, check the FICM voltage (KOEO, cranking, and 2000 rpm).
I just need to do a gut check here. If the FICM voltage drops below 45 at any time, that means that the FICM is F'd, correct? I am looking at the boss's '06 and when warm it starts fine, and we have 47 ish volts, but this morning I saw 48, then 25, then 30... It starts a little rough. We also want to check glow plugs so I'll dig in and see what info I find on that.

Thanks Bis.
 

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The FICM is bad if it is below 46V IIRC.
 

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19. If you have no fuel flow or low pressure, it could be a bad pump (HFCM), OR it could be a plugged fuel filter or plugged lines. You can blow air through the lines to check for plugging. If there is no pluggage, test the pump. First, pull fuse 302 (PCM) and relay 304 (FICM) and then pull the secondary (upper) fuel filter, remove any fuel, and then verify that it is being filled by cranking the engine. As it is being filled, make sure there are no air bubbles. If there are, you have a leak in some connections, the HFCM suction line, or the HFCM o-ring (most likely). Be sure to lube the o-ring w/ oil before re-installing.
Or you didn't get the pump plugged in all the way...:read:
 

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I got this off site that i thought would help out, if not just go ahead and delete this post.
Diesel Diagnostic information for Powerstroke 6.0, 7.3, IDI 7.3 and 6.9 L, by Oregon Fuel Injection

2003 - 2007 6.0 L POWERSTROKE


SCAN TOOL
You must be able to use the Ford factory IDS (or WDS) scan tool for 6.0 L diagnostics due to the number of PCM updates. There are so many drivability issues that are solved with a new PCM calibration that attempting repairs without the IDS scan tool is an exercise in futility. Be aware that after the PCM is re-flashed it may take up to 1000 miles for the PCM to re-learn how you drive. During this re-learn procedure it is very likely that your mileage will drop. Ford does not have a quick learn procedure like GM or Chrysler, they are “slow learners”.

Engine serial number
There have been many changes to the 6.0 L and getting the correct parts for it depends on the engine serial number range. The engine s/n is located on the FICM which is on the top of the left valve cover. If the FICM has been replaced you may need to get the s/n off of the block. The s/n is stamped into the block at the left rear of the engine just under the head.

Basic Information
Diagnosing starting problems and drivability problems requires that you start at the basics. The HEUI system uses engine oil to actuate the injectors; if you are low on oil you will have problems.
-Check the oil and change the oil if it is due. If the oil is worn out from excessive change interval, you will have problems. Oil change intervals are critical,
-Fuel filter plugging will cause issues. Has it been more than 10,000 miles since you changed the filters? Change the filters before proceeding with further diagnostics.
Air in the fuel will cause injector failures. Inspect the fuel when you change the filters.
-Avoid long idle times; long idle times will cause the EGR and turbo to carbon up excessively.

Resources
Besides the proper scan tool you will need good service information and the correct tools to work on the 6.0 L. There are many TSB related to drivability issues that you need current service information for, besides the ability to re-flash the PCM.
www.fordspecialtools.com for Ford special tools
www.motorcraftservice.com for scan tool information and service information, you can purchase three days, a month or year.
-Mitchell and Motors also offer online service information
Service Manuals, Owner Manuals, Wiring Diagrams, Service Bulletins - Helm Incorporated they have printed publications such as manuals and TSB, as well as online subscription choices.
DTS Home many different articles to help with diagnosing the Ford Powerstroke

No Crank
-Check batteries and connections, voltage should stay above 10 volts during cranking
-The PCM controls the starter, so if PCM voltage drops below 9.5v the PCM shuts off and won’t control the starter.
-If the fan clutch shorts out it will draw the PCM voltage to zero, and thus you will have a no crank situation.
-EBP sensor shorted out will shutdown PCM

No Start
Several parameters are necessary for starting, not including glow plug operation and good compression.
1. ICP 520 psi min. (0.8v minimum)
2. PCM sync = Yes which means that the CKP and CMP sensors are sending a signal to the PCM and are working correctly.
3. FICM sync = Yes which means that the PCM and FICM are in sync
4. Pulse Width signal to the injectors
5. Minimum cranking speed of 100 rpm
-The fuel supply pump has an inertia switch in the circuit, located under the passenger side kick panel
-Try unplugging the ICP sensor it can cause a not start problem without setting any codes
-Monitor the oil pressure gauge on the dash, it should move up during cranking. If it shows no oil pressure then there could be a problem with the low oil pressure side.
-IPR duty cycle of 14% or less during cranking means no cam signal (and no sync)
-Check for loose connections at the FICM
-A shorted EBP sensor can cause the PCM to shutdown
-FICM faulty
-Glow Plug control module connector problems (pin tension, water intrusion, bent pins)

Hard Start
-Leak in the high pressure oil circuit, takes excessive cranking to build minimum ICP pressure, see ICP pressure.
-Minimum cranking speed should be 175 rpm cold and 215 rpm warm.
-Glow plugs; they should pull approx 170-180 amps total for a cold engine, which will drop to about 120 amps after about 15 seconds. If the amp draw is below 10-12 amps per glow plug then you will need to replace some glow plugs. CAUTION; upon removal of the glow plugs, the glow plug sleeve will sometimes pull out with the glow plug. This will require that the head be pulled in order to replace the glow plug sleeve
-Injector spool valves sticky
- 2004 with a sticky intake throttle plate can cause a hard start.
-Glow plug harness chaffing
-Glow Plug control module connector problems (pin tension, water intrusion, bent pins)

ICP pressure and IPR information
The IPR valve is normally open; it takes a 12 volt pulse width modulated ground signal to actuate the IPR.
-Monitor the ICP while cranking, if it is .4v to .5v (200 psi) it is a possible stuck IPR. The system will build 200 psi even if the IPR is open. Make sure that oil pressure registers on the dash gauge while cranking, if not you may not enough low oil pressure.
-If the ICP is .6v to .7v (400 psi) then it is very likely that you have a high pressure leak
-Compare actual to desired ICP on the scan tool, if actual is below desired.
-If ICP is low remove IPR and check for metal on the screen. If you have metal on the IPR screen then the high pressure pump and IPR will need to be replaced. You will also need to check the screen under the oil cooler, toward the front of the engine valley and clean or replace as necessary. The oil rails and check valves will need to be flushed to remove any debris. Of course the debris may have gotten into the injectors as well and could cause problems with a miss or rough run.
-The ICP pressure should be stable and not erratic. If it is erratic then you could have a high pressure side leak or a sticky IPR valve (requires replacement), or debris in the check valves which will require replacement as well.
-The ICP sensor can leak oil, if this happens replace both the sensor and the ICP pigtail connector
-ICP sensor should read .16 - .28 volts (less than 70 psi) KOEO at normal operating temperature after the engine has been off for at least 2 minutes.
-2004 ¼ and up should be updated to the latest oil standpipe design.

Miss, rough run, vibration or flutter
-PCM is flashed to the latest calibration?
-Injectors can cause a miss, rough run or surge when cold if the spool valves are sticking. There is currently a re-flash to operate the injector spool valves during the glow plug cycle time in order to free up the spool valves. Excessive oil change interval can cause the spool valves to stick.
-perform a relative compression test and a power balance test to verify miss on a particular cylinder.
-Low fuel supply pressure, particularly when cold. Fuel supply pressure should be 45 psi minimum, KOEO and 45 psi minimum on WOT hard acceleration.
-Check valves in the high pressure oil circuit that feeds each injector rail can break.The check valve (snubber) plates have 3 small tabs; if any of the tabs are broken they can stick in the oil inlet to the injectors. You will need to flush the oil rail to find any missing tabs.
-Dual mass flywheel bad (used in 2003 & 2004)
-FICM if bad should miss at all temperature ranges

Low Power
-Is the PCM flashed to the latest calibration?
-Dirty air filter / Dirty fuel filter
-Boost leaks
-Exhaust leaks (hiss, squeal or smell)
-Injector spool valves sticking
-Biased MAP sensor
-Boost leaks
-Oil aeration
-Fuel aeration
-Low FICM voltage

Injectors
-PCM at the latest calibration?
Bad injectors can cause a surge, hard start, cold rough run, low power, black smoke or a miss. Address oil and fuel maintenance issues and aeration before replacing injectors.
-Injector installation is critical, improper torque will cause injector chamber gasket failures.
-Injector chamber gasket failures will result in aeration in the fuel from combustion gases.
-Failure to remove the oil from the hold down bolt hole will result in improper torque.
-Broken injector stator housings, when the two bolts that holds the stator housing to the injector body break, are caused by air in the fuel.
-2004 1/4 vehicles need to update the stand pipes when replacing injectors.

Turbo failure diagnostics
-Normal boost 25 – 29 psi (22-25 psi in 3rd gear at WOT, per Ford)
-The Variable Vane Turbocharger (VGT) that is on the 6.0L uses engine oil to move the vane positions in order to improve turbo response and control boost pressures.
- If you have a squealing noise, particularly when using a scan tool to close the vanes, look for leaks at the EGR cooler connections, turbine inlet and turbine outlet. If the turbocharger has been recently replaced check for misaligned pipes and other leak point as noted above. If the turbo is responsible for a squealing noise, expect to find the wheels rubbing the housings and bearing failure.
-A “bark” or “chuffing” sound from the turbo usually indicates the turbo vanes are stuck or sticky. Often caused by excessive idle time,
-Turbo vane failures (sticking) can cause EGR codes to set.
- Run the KOER EGR and VGT test multiple times to check for erratic operation or sticking.
-Excessive exhaust back pressure due to sticky vanes can cause pressures as high as 80 psi, which can cause EGR cooler failures.
-There is no vane position sensor and the system ignores EBP on the 03-05 models so if boost is low the PCM tells the vanes to close in order to create more turbo boost (MAP).
-Boost leaks (intake, intercooler or piping) can also cause high or excessive back pressure because the vanes close to create more boost.
-The oil pressure tube feeding the turbo can plug which will result in actuator or turbo bearing failure. Turbo bearing failure due to oil starvation from plugged oil feed line, will repeat itself and is not a warrantable turbo failure.
-Squeal could be vanes sticking closed, a boost leak or an exhaust leak. The left side “Y” pipe is known to crack and cause a squeal.

EGR and EGR codes
-Is the PCM re-flashed to the latest calibration?
-Check the turbo, if the vanes are sticky, that will affect MAF and possibly set EGR codes, such as P0404
-Check the air filter, a dirty air filter will affect MAF and could cause EGR codes to set.
-Some performance air intake systems will set EGR codes (they affect MAF right)
-A dirty IAT2 sensor can cause EGR codes because the PCM expects to see and increased temp reading when the EGR is turned on. If the temperature increase doesn’t change fast enough it can effect turbo operation as well as EGR operation.
-EGR coking can be reduced by using a crankcase vent filter kit such as the BD 1032175 -EGR coking can also be reduced by using Stanadyne Performance formula to improve combustion and reduce carbon in the exhaust. If you find a condition where the EGR was causing a surge or stalling and disconnecting the EGR corrects it, check VGT turbo performance. Use the IDS to run the VGT from 0 – 80% and verify. The turbo could pass the KOER & VGT test even with a bad VGT control valve.
- If the EGR valve fails the system test, replace it don’t just clean it.

Coolant loss
-Check the EGR cooler; remove the EGR valve and inspect, is it wet with coolant? Raise the rear of the vehicle to see if any coolant flows into the EGR hole from the EGR cooler. Pressurize the coolant system using the proper tools and inspect for leaks.
-If the EGR cooler is leaking, many times it was caused by excessive back pressure. See the turbo section for diagnosing excessive back pressure.

Stalling and Dies
-FICM voltage should be 48 volts, if it drops below 45 volts it could be a connection issue, in need of a re-flash, or a bad FICM
-High pressure oil leak, which will usually happen more often when the oil is warm because it is thinner then.

Surge
-Is the PCM flashed to the latest calibration specification?
-Injector spool valves (see injector section)
-Turbo, see the turbo section

White Smoke Cold
- White smoke cold could be caused by the spool valves sticking in the injectors, see “Miss Rough Run” section for more information.

Wire Chaffing Issues
-Wire chaffing can cause a variety of drivability problems, common locations are valve cover bolts, near the FICM, or intake bolts where the wire harness is routed under the air intake hose. Other possible problem areas are the thermostat housing, idler pulleys, glow plug relay brace, relay box braces, and near the PCM by the battery.

Common DTC (trouble codes)
-P0263; cylinder balance #1
-P0266; cylinder balance #2
-P0269; cylinder balance #3
-P0272; cylinder balance #4
-P0275; cylinder balance #5
-P0278; cylinder balance #6
-P0281; cylinder balance #7
-P0284; cylinder balance #8
-P0299; turbo under boost (see turbo info)
-P0336; CKP range-performance
-P0341; CMP range-Performance
-P0401; EGR Insufficient flow (see EGR info)
-P0402; EGR Excessive flow (see EGR info)
-P0611; FICM Performance (replace FICM)
-P0671-P0678; Glow Plug circuit codes
-P1334; EGR Throttle MIN Stop Performance (2004 throttle plate stuck)
-P2269; Water in fuel
-P2284; ICP sensor CKT range-performance (see ICP info)
-P2285; ICP sensor CKT low (see ICP info)
-P2614 & P2617, if set with other codes diagnose other codes first, these can set with a chaffed harness or low fuel pressure.
 

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Hello new to the site. And I bought a 03 f250 6.0 previous owner said they were driving and the truck lost power and died. I changed the pressure sensor on the hpop and still will not start I tore it down and removed the hpop and there is no metal visable so my question is can they check the oil pump out of the truck??
 
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