[wolfe14785]

Well I cought myself hitting both pedals twice when I first got truck, today on the way to work, coming to a stop my rpm was at 1100 foot 100% on the brake, I stopped a little past the sign, and my rmps stayed at 1100. I had no one behind me or at the cross road so I waited about 1 min. rpms never dropped, I double checked and my foot was not on the go pedal, I made my turn and the truck accelerated without me hitting the go pedal. Once I got on the pedal I had less power for a half mile then it took off like normal. I just had my first regen with my foot on the brake and in gear. I will try to get it in to the dealer next week but I need it for camping the weak of the 4th.

I was hoping others complaining of this were just "fat footing" it but now I know there is a problem.

I just got a survey in the mail today, I can't wait to fill it out...

 

[blazeone]

I don't see a problem?

 

[wolfe14785]

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I don't see a problem?

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You don't think going from 600 to 1100 rpms while trying to stop is a problem?

I do..

 

[DesertSailor]

Welcome to clean and green diesel life!

That was a regen cycle passing through.

the FUN begins!!

 

[Stalwart]

I had a fun one this morning. Last night I needed to shut down during a regen and applied the brake pedal for a minute before shutdown. Regen did not recommence this morning on my first trip but instead on my second trip. I started the truck and the idle went up to 11-1200 rpm as I waited for the kids and the wife to come out of the house and climb in. Just as I accelerated to 40 mph a cloud of white smoke came pouring out of the exhaust. It only lasted for about 1/4 mile but it was impressive and by the actions by the drivers behind me, probably quite stinky.

My best guess is that the truck went into regen and started adding fuel but the cat wasn't warm enough yet to cook it off. 4-5 minutes of idling allowed quite a quantity to build up and as I accelerated it finally started to all cook off at once. This isn't as much fun as my OLD 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels with mechanical injection pumps that had the pressure turned up all the way, they could roll black smoke that was hard to see through, but it did put a smile on my face.

 

[Steve F.]

goingnorth... be careful with that survey card, it is said here on the forums it will go to the dealer you got the truck from and bad things could happen (words are not from me, but here on the forums)... I guess all will be fine if you are going to survey Ford and not the dealer itself, um I guess.

I think it is a shame if this regen can't be fixed to only happen at driving speeds, something sooner or later bad will come from this if it hasn't already. I mean 1200 rpms on a diesel is pushing some torque, just think if it isn't happening when you 1st stop, you have a lite foot on the brake and then 1200 rpms comes and you are not paying attention, boom car or person, very possible.

Like it was said here somewhere, makes no sense burning "more" fuel to clean a filter, butt back wards all the way.

 

[KINGTUT]

Can someone please explain. I thought the regen process was immediately ceased upon the application of the brake. If not, holy moly..........dangerous stuff........ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif

 

[wolfe14785]

Steve F...I have not had any issues with my dealer on my trucks and that will be reflected in the survey. I have not looked at it yet, but plan on getting to it tonight.

 

[skidmarks]

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Can someone please explain. I thought the regen process was immediately ceased upon the application of the brake. If not, holy moly..........dangerous stuff........ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif

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It is suppose to, mine does.

 

[Texrob1]

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goingnorth... be careful with that survey card, it is said here on the forums it will go to the dealer you got the truck from and bad things could happen (words are not from me, but here on the forums)... I guess all will be fine if you are going to survey Ford and not the dealer itself, um I guess.

I think it is a shame if this regen can't be fixed to only happen at driving speeds, something sooner or later bad will come from this if it hasn't already. I mean 1200 rpms on a diesel is pushing some torque, just think if it isn't happening when you 1st stop, you have a lite foot on the brake and then 1200 rpms comes and you are not paying attention, boom car or person, very possible.

Like it was said here somewhere, makes no sense burning "more" fuel to clean a filter, butt back wards all the way.

[/ QUOTE ]Agreed! Way to go EPA! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

 

[wolfe14785]

Just read the survey, its not from ford, but from Maritz Research, just general questions nothing technical..

 

[blazeone]

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You don't think going from 600 to 1100 rpms while trying to stop is a problem?

I do..

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Nope, mine has done it, I just put the brake on and the truck stops just fine. No drama.

 

[wolfe14785]

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Nope, mine has done it, I just put the brake on and the truck stops just fine. No drama.



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Try it on an icy or snow covered road and see what happens.
What drama? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[grounder]

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Just read the survey, its not from ford, but from Maritz Research, just general questions nothing technical..

[/ QUOTE ]You will usually get "A call" from the dealership before you get the survey.They know your getting it and if your Un happy about anything they want to smooth it over First,So you dont trash them on the survey questions /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gifOr they will get a Hand smacking from Ford.I suppose service quality could get Ugly if you dumped on them.They would probabley want vengence back at you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

 

[blazeone]

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Try it on an icy or snow covered road and see what happens.
What drama? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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I've been on plenty of ice "Minn-Wisc" and I learned a long time ago that in a vehicle with an automatic transmission to put it in neutral while coming to a stop and for going around slow corners. Try it you'll like it.

 

[jhughd]

I think the point trying to be made is; applying the brake should stop the regen and let the rpm's drop back. This should be normal. If it is not doing this, take it to your dealer.

JD

 

[newbie_101]

There is obviously a problem if the regen is not pausing with the foot on the brake. Mine is, sort of. It fluctuates between 650 and 750. Not a lot but enough to require heavier braking. The problem I see is having the dealer diagnose it. What are the chances that the truck will be regenerating the moment you bring it in to be looked at. Likely you'll get the "nothing wrong here" diagnosis.

 

[GWBlack]

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Well I cought myself hitting both pedals twice when I first got truck, today on the way to work, coming to a stop my rpm was at 1100 foot 100% on the brake, I stopped a little past the sign, and my rmps stayed at 1100. I had no one behind me or at the cross road so I waited about 1 min. rpms never dropped, I double checked and my foot was not on the go pedal, I made my turn and the truck accelerated without me hitting the go pedal. Once I got on the pedal I had less power for a half mile then it took off like normal. I just had my first regen with my foot on the brake and in gear. I will try to get it in to the dealer next week but I need it for camping the weak of the 4th.

I was hoping others complaining of this were just "fat footing" it but now I know there is a problem.

I just got a survey in the mail today, I can't wait to fill it out...

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GoingNorth - it's nice to know other people are recognizing this as being an issue. When it happened to me on a test drive with the salesman in the truck, it scared the daylights out of me. If there was a person walking in front of me at the intersection while I was stopped, they would have been run over since I could not prevent the truck from moving forward regardless of how hard I applied the brake. Although I still don't know if I was fat-footing it or if it was the truck's fault, it would seem that two things should be done: (1) increase space between brake and gas pedal, (2) add some "fail-safe" mechanism to ENSURE the rpms stay low whenever the foot is on the brake. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

By the way, if this ever happens again, what would a good, quick emergency procedure be? To put it in "Neutral" or to apply the parking brake? Will it let me put it in neutral if the truck is trying to inch forward?
Gary

 

[toalpi]

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[By the way, if this ever happens again, what would a good, quick emergency procedure be? To put it in "Neutral" or to apply the parking brake? Will it let me put it in neutral if the truck is trying to inch forward?
Gary

[/ QUOTE ] Just "bump" it up into neutral. Don't bother pulling the lever back towards the wheel before moving it up because you don't need that extra step. When you are in a rush and pulling back you could go beyond neutral into reverse. By just bumping the lever it can't go beyond neutral.

 

[AllAboutJeeps]

I haven't seen anyone bring up the situation of being in 4-low. Yikes! If your brakes can barely hold in hi-range, there is no way they will hold in 4-low. Does anyone know if 4-low disables the regen?

...danny