You cannot have your cake and eat it too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
The X-Plan price is fixed by Ford, and the dealer cannot mess with it.
If you have an X-Plan PIN but want to negotiate an even lower price, then lay all your cards face up on the table and tell your dealerperson what you want. If they accept the X-Plan PIN, then they can't change the price of the new vehicle. But they can maybe give you an overallowance on your old junker...or maybe throw in free maintenance for umpteen months or something similar. They have to be very careful, because if Ford catches them messing with the X-Plan price, the dealer could lose his franchise. And when you start messing with a dealer's franchise, you get his undivided attention in a hurry. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif